is that it now game over no chance of POTUS

 

Rayguns out

1 minute ago, Spider said:

Your dedication and devotion to the British class system does you proud.

Bojo would have made it with a comprehensive education from an inner city slum up north, is your suggestion? Rofl lollycopters etcs etcs

Wtf 😂😂 who made that suggestion.

“Many politicians from all sides are privileged” is what I said I’ve never suggested anything about his education. Weird.

10 minutes ago, royal white said:

They’re from a very privileged back ground, I’ve never denied that. However that’s doesn’t make them winners in the positions they’re in now. Many politicians from all sides are privileged, look at the Clinton’s look at Corbyn. Being rich doesn’t make you a winner. They both won when being underdogs, voters voted for them on their promises/lies and not because of what school they went to and how much mummy and daddy had 

What has Boris won? A Tory leadership election and an even worse deal from the EU that's yet to be ratified. And he was the overwhelming favourite when the leadership elections were taking place. Hardly a dark horse.

And they're both populist politicians - happy to say or do whatever they need to say or do to get or stay in a position of power. Whatever the cost. Not sure that makes you a winner. It just means you lack integrity.

Lots of awful folk have won elections.

15 minutes ago, kent_white said:

What has Boris won? A Tory leadership election and an even worse deal from the EU that's yet to be ratified. And he was the overwhelming favourite when the leadership elections were taking place. Hardly a dark horse.

And they're both populist politicians - happy to say or do whatever they need to say or do to get or stay in a position of power. Whatever the cost. Not sure that makes you a winner. It just means you lack integrity.

Lots of awful folk have won elections.

Wasn’t he one of the main men behind BREXIT? 
 

Yes and I suppose it was all down to luck and being in the right place at the right time to end up PM.

Ask me again on Dec 13th. I’m very confident I can add to any lists. I’m sure the millions that will vote for him will do so because he’s privileged and nothing else.

40 minutes ago, kent_white said:

What has Boris won? A Tory leadership election and an even worse deal from the EU that's yet to be ratified. And he was the overwhelming favourite when the leadership elections were taking place. Hardly a dark horse.

And they're both populist politicians - happy to say or do whatever they need to say or do to get or stay in a position of power. Whatever the cost. Not sure that makes you a winner. It just means you lack integrity.

Lots of awful folk have won elections.

Hitler was mighty popular in Germany at one time. During the 1930's a popular mantra was "join the Nazis because they will win everything and you don't want to be on the losers' side". A way to persuade influential business people to join the party. "Back the winners". 

 

 

This dog tweet is getting out of hand now 😂😂 theres clowns tweeting into a BBC talk show now saying Trump shouldn’t be photoshopping pictures of veterans 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Are people that thick? Was it anyone off here?

19 minutes ago, royal white said:

Wasn’t he one of the main men behind BREXIT? 
 

Yes and I suppose it was all down to luck and being in the right place at the right time to end up PM.

Ask me again on Dec 13th. I’m very confident I can add to any lists. I’m sure the millions that will vote for him will do so because he’s privileged and nothing else.

Nigel Farage was the main man behind Brexit. And I've been on here in the past saying that NF is arguably Britain's most influential politician during my lifetime. BJ jumped on it when it was politically expedient to. Which goes back to my point about integrity (or lack thereof) a little earlier.

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

Nigel Farage was the main man behind Brexit. And I've been on here in the past saying that NF is arguably Britain's most influential politician during my lifetime. BJ jumped on it when it was politically expedient to. Which goes back to my point about integrity (or lack thereof) a little earlier.

I never said he was the main man, I said he was one of the main men, are you suggesting he wasn’t? 

9 minutes ago, royal white said:

I never said he was the main man, I said he was one of the main men, are you suggesting he wasn’t? 

He was for the month or so in the run up to the leave vote. Once he'd calculated which side to back.

45 minutes ago, royal white said:

This dog tweet is getting out of hand now 😂😂 theres clowns tweeting into a BBC talk show now saying Trump shouldn’t be photoshopping pictures of veterans 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Are people that thick? Was it anyone off here?

It’s just weird. 

Calling a dog an American hero is just batshit crazy.

Using a shit pic of you giving it a medal is proper mental. So much so, it has to be a piss take. 

50 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Nigel Farage was the main man behind Brexit. And I've been on here in the past saying that NF is arguably Britain's most influential politician during my lifetime. BJ jumped on it when it was politically expedient to. Which goes back to my point about integrity (or lack thereof) a little earlier.

Quite. But the thing which gave Farage traction was the EU elections once the EU required UK to adopt some form of proportional representation for such elections.

5 hours ago, kent_white said:

What has Boris won? A Tory leadership election and an even worse deal from the EU that's yet to be ratified. And he was the overwhelming favourite when the leadership elections were taking place. Hardly a dark horse.

And they're both populist politicians - happy to say or do whatever they need to say or do to get or stay in a position of power. Whatever the cost. Not sure that makes you a winner. It just means you lack integrity.

Lots of awful folk have won elections.

Alternatively, what has Corbyn won? Or swineson?

Sorry, but it's an easy, cheap shot to just add the entitled tag. It would be quite easy for these people to take their entitlement and idly do fuck all with their lives.

All politicians have had to work hard to achieve their position, and I include all leaders in that, even if I don't agree with their politics. They might be cunts too, but they don't get given a position of MP, they have to prove themselves and earn it, or their parties wouldn't allow them to stand.

14 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Alternatively, what has Corbyn won? Or swineson?

Sorry, but it's an easy, cheap shot to just add the entitled tag. It would be quite easy for these people to take their entitlement and idly do fuck all with their lives.

All politicians have had to work hard to achieve their position, and I include all leaders in that, even if I don't agree with their politics. They might be cunts too, but they don't get given a position of MP, they have to prove themselves and earn it, or their parties wouldn't allow them to stand.

You're right - they do have to work hard. We all have to work hard. And if I thought for one moment the likes of DT and BJ put all that hard work in for altruistic reasons because they wanted to make the world a better place - I'd turn a blind eye. But they don't. It's about power and cementing their names in history.

It's just a Witch Hunt.

The Impeachment process has passed its first stage, but won't get any further as he's done nowt wrong.

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

You're right - they do have to work hard. We all have to work hard. And if I thought for one moment the likes of DT and BJ put all that hard work in for altruistic reasons because they wanted to make the world a better place - I'd turn a blind eye. But they don't. It's about power and cementing their names in history.

Whereas other leaders do it for the right reasons?

I'll give you trump, he's off the scale. But Boris- I would expect every leader to have a streak of wanting a bit of power: if you want to be PM then you have to lead and delegate, take all the shit that comes with it etc. That might mean having a thick skin and being a cunt at times. Nature of the beast- no shrinking violet ever got to such heady heights.

But I cannot agree that any of them look to achieve that position purely for the kudos, as in itself, that cannot be achieved by being unsuccessful, ineffective etc. Certain qualities are a must, and amongst other, looking to make your country better is one of them.

Ok we may not agree with methods they adopt, but to suggest you know that someone isn't doing it for the right reasons seems a bit of 'bandwagoning'.

I don't believe anyone of them are in it purely for self aggrandisement, ok some might come about, but for me, they could enter into a different career with much less scrutiny for that.

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Whereas other leaders do it for the right reasons?

I'll give you trump, he's off the scale. But Boris- I would expect every leader to have a streak of wanting a bit of power: if you want to be PM then you have to lead and delegate, take all the shit that comes with it etc. That might mean having a thick skin and being a cunt at times. Nature of the beast- no shrinking violet ever got to such heady heights.

But I cannot agree that any of them look to achieve that position purely for the kudos, as in itself, that cannot be achieved by being unsuccessful, ineffective etc. Certain qualities are a must, and amongst other, looking to make your country better is one of them.

Ok we may not agree with methods they adopt, but to suggest you know that someone isn't doing it for the right reasons seems a bit of 'bandwagoning'.

I don't believe anyone of them are in it purely for self aggrandisement, ok some might come about, but for me, they could enter into a different career with much less scrutiny for that.

Ask yourself if a leader would stand down if it was for the good of the country. If the answer is no - then they are in in for the wrong reasons.

I take it all back.

Trump has said Bojo’s Brexit deal is pooh.

4 more years, you beautiful ginger slightly racist little tinker.

3 hours ago, Spider said:

It's just a Witch Hunt.

The Impeachment process has passed its first stage, but won't get any further as he's done nowt wrong.

He's a whoremaster.

FACT.

16 hours ago, Spider said:

It triggered a response that would tire out Sluffy’s keyboard.

😁😁

OK then Trigger. I'll keep that in mind when I see more of your inane ramblings then.

15 hours ago, kent_white said:

Seems to me you don't so much like winners as entitled rich kids. 

Know your place RW.

Both of them were born into lives of wealth, privilege and connections which allowed them to raise their profiles way past their actual competence.

If you're looking for someone who's dragged themselves up by their bootstraps - you're probably looking at someone like Bernie Sanders. Son of working class immigrants - educated at a public school etc. You might dislike his politics (I'm making an assumption here) but that's an example of someone operating with no competitive advantage.

What a surprise that KW would put forward the US equivalent of Jeremy Corbyn.

Another one fighting a non existent class war. Vote for Jeremy - go back to the 70's. I can already see the garbage bags piled up on the streets. Christmas by candlelight. Beltin'.

 

15 hours ago, kent_white said:

What has Boris won? A Tory leadership election and an even worse deal from the EU that's yet to be ratified. And he was the overwhelming favourite when the leadership elections were taking place. Hardly a dark horse.

And they're both populist politicians - happy to say or do whatever they need to say or do to get or stay in a position of power. Whatever the cost. Not sure that makes you a winner. It just means you lack integrity.

Lots of awful folk have won elections.

I must have been dreaming. I was convinced he was elected Mayor of London?

That's it, I'm laying off hallucinatory ciders.

9 hours ago, Spider said:

It's just a Witch Hunt.

The Impeachment process has passed its first stage, but won't get any further as he's done nowt wrong.

If you can't see that this is just a political stunt then you need treatment.

It will be blown off and Trump will be all the stronger for it. Americans dislike impeachment proceedings and this will be seen as yet more gutter sleaze from the party which couldn't beat him in an election so resorting to ever more desperate nefarious means.

The real scumbag here is Pelosi. The worst kind of crook, just like Hillary.

16 hours ago, kent_white said:

Ask yourself if a leader would stand down if it was for the good of the country. If the answer is no - then they are in in for the wrong reasons.

That would be an opinion wouldn't it: how would you define best for the country?

As I said earlier, we may have different views of their policies and methods.

Looking at recent history, leaders have tended to go when their popularity/beliefs have been shown to be at odds with the population etc. In that context you could argue I suppose that they have gone in the interests of the country, as they're on the wain.

Until that point is reached though, we can't really accuse them of being in it for the wrong reasons.

28 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

That would be an opinion wouldn't it: how would you define best for the country?

As I said earlier, we may have different views of their policies and methods.

Looking at recent history, leaders have tended to go when their popularity/beliefs have been shown to be at odds with the population etc. In that context you could argue I suppose that they have gone in the interests of the country, as they're on the wain.

Until that point is reached though, we can't really accuse them of being in it for the wrong reasons.

You're right - it's subjective I suppose. But you just have a feeling about some people. Same could be said for JC btw.

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

You're right - it's subjective I suppose. But you just have a feeling about some people. Same could be said for JC btw.

Strangely, in JCs case, I'd say he's arguably the most driven in his belief. He's been an outsider in his own party for years, and now given his opportunity, still pushing his very left wing agenda. Ok, he's a bit scuppered over brexit, but that's a solitary issue.

I can give him credit for not wavering in his view of things.

It's just that, for me, his ideology and approach is way off. 

49 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

That would be an opinion wouldn't it: how would you define best for the country?

As I said earlier, we may have different views of their policies and methods.

Looking at recent history, leaders have tended to go when their popularity/beliefs have been shown to be at odds with the population etc. In that context you could argue I suppose that they have gone in the interests of the country, as they're on the wain.

Until that point is reached though, we can't really accuse them of being in it for the wrong reasons.

I think that most politicians go into politics for sound reasons.

It’s just that those on the left have a poor philosophical starting point. In my view and of a lifetime of observation.