July 3, 20206 yr They’ve cancelled a massive supply contract in the UK and started buying from America. https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/markets-and-trends/crop-prices/warburtons-swaps-openfield-for-frontier-as-supply-partner Now that’s up to them of course. But it’s not very patriotic.
July 3, 20206 yr Is business anything to do with patriotism? Put it this way, a pound a loaf still seems fairly good value. If it became £1.50 because they stuck with uk flour providers I’m not sure everyone would agree.
July 3, 20206 yr Author 9 minutes ago, MickyD said: Is business anything to do with patriotism? Put it this way, a pound a loaf still seems fairly good value. If it became £1.50 because they stuck with uk flour providers I’m not sure everyone would agree. Business is all about patriotism. We left a trading bloc for that reason. Dignity, control etc.. Warbies are putting British jobs at risk at the worst possible time. Or, they are simply making sure a hard up nation can still afford its daily bread. Im not that arsed, but it’s certainly going to raise eyebrows.
July 3, 20206 yr 15 minutes ago, MickyD said: Is business anything to do with patriotism? It is following Brexit
July 3, 20206 yr 6 minutes ago, Spider said: Business is all about patriotism. We left a trading bloc for that reason. Dignity, control etc.. Warbies are putting British jobs at risk at the worst possible time. Or, they are simply making sure a hard up nation can still afford its daily bread. Im not that arsed, but it’s certainly going to raise eyebrows. Or, we left the EU to allow greater access to deals from all over the world? As it happens, it is disappointing, hopefully those affected can look to diversify the products they produce or find alternative markets. I used to work with a fella whose son worked for warbies as a flour researcher/technician type role. He was all over the world back then (25 years approx) looking at wheats and their suitability for various products. Quite scientific, more than I realised.
July 3, 20206 yr 17 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: It is following Brexit How has it got anything to do with brexit? I would be very interested to understand your reasoning behind that statement?
July 3, 20206 yr 16 minutes ago, Spider said: Business is all about patriotism. We left a trading bloc for that reason. Dignity, control etc.. Warbies are putting British jobs at risk at the worst possible time. Or, they are simply making sure a hard up nation can still afford its daily bread. Im not that arsed, but it’s certainly going to raise eyebrows. I’m not being glib with my response but when you think about it, British wheat and flour must be massively over-priced if you factor in transport costs. The wagon from port to bakery is no different than from flour mill to bakery then you add the price of a bulk tanker between US port and UK port and road haulage at US end then the actual product must be massively cheaper for these extra transportation costs to still bring the price down. Maybe this isn’t so much about Warbys shopping around as it is the UK farmers and hauliers pricing themselves out of the market.
July 3, 20206 yr The article says that they will still source more than half of their wheat from the UK. Warburtons, which also contributed to the letter, said that the change does not alter its commitment to UK agriculture and pledged to continue to source more than half of its wheat from UK farms under the Frontier deal. The remainder of its intake is currently high-protein Canadian spring wheat, which is blended with the British crop to produce the flour for its baked products
July 3, 20206 yr Author 6 minutes ago, MickyD said: I’m not being glib with my response but when you think about it, British wheat and flour must be massively over-priced if you factor in transport costs. The wagon from port to bakery is no different than from flour mill to bakery then you add the price of a bulk tanker between US port and UK port and road haulage at US end then the actual product must be massively cheaper for these extra transportation costs to still bring the price down. Maybe this isn’t so much about Warbys shopping around as it is the UK farmers and hauliers pricing themselves out of the market. Now then In France, the govt. guarantees wine producers a minimum for their wine so they can keep going. It's that sort of Draconian policy I saw being used as an example of the EU taking the piss with subsidies etc.. So, by your reasoning (and it's a very good point you raise), the UK cannot produce crops economically enough to compete with foreign imports. Fine, I'm a capitalist at heart so would be looking elsewhere as well. What doesn't fit is the narrative that by leaving the EU we were handing back the initiative to UK fishermen, farmers and manufacturing. This seems to be one large example of that not working in the real world. Edited July 3, 20206 yr by Spider
July 3, 20206 yr Author 3 minutes ago, Farrelli said: The article says that they will still source more than half of their wheat from the UK. Warburtons, which also contributed to the letter, said that the change does not alter its commitment to UK agriculture and pledged to continue to source more than half of its wheat from UK farms under the Frontier deal. The remainder of its intake is currently high-protein Canadian spring wheat, which is blended with the British crop to produce the flour for its baked products Think it says 300 UK producers are still affected. They buy a fair amount of wheat.
July 3, 20206 yr Just now, Spider said: Think it says 300 UK producers are still affected. They buy a fair amount of wheat. Yes it is not great news and undoubtedly Warbies are putting a pro-UK spin on the new deal. This must be the Canada ++ that we were told about by brexiteers.
July 3, 20206 yr 22 minutes ago, Escobarp said: How has it got anything to do with brexit? I would be very interested to understand your reasoning behind that statement? it was a facetious comment to a degree, but there seemed to be a lot of reasoning behind the decision to leave (on here) that led to the mindset of we leave to put British buiness first and stand on our own two feet lots of jokes about producing spitfires and stuff, I wouldn't worry about it
July 3, 20206 yr 5 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: it was a facetious comment to a degree, but there seemed to be a lot of reasoning behind the decision to leave (on here) that led to the mindset of we leave to put British buiness first and stand on our own two feet lots of jokes about producing spitfires and stuff, I wouldn't worry about it I genuinely wondered that was all as I hadn’t read the article. I was however on a Skype call with the FD of warburtons last week as they are a client of mine.
July 3, 20206 yr Author 2 minutes ago, Escobarp said: I genuinely wondered that was all as I hadn’t read the article. I was however on a Skype call with the FD of warburtons last week as they are a client of mine. Ask him why he hates British farmers when you next speak. "You have big sheds, but nobody's allowed in. And inside these big sheds are twenty-foot-high chickens, because of all the chemicals you've put in 'em, and these chickens are scared! They don't know why they're so big! They go "Oh, why am I so massive?" And they're looking down at all the other little chickens and they think they're in an aeroplane because all the other chickens are so small." Edited July 3, 20206 yr by Spider
July 3, 20206 yr Author 4 minutes ago, MickyD said: Sorry? Go on, explain about the big chickens. They also feed beefburgers to swans.
July 3, 20206 yr 5 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: it was a facetious comment to a degree, but there seemed to be a lot of reasoning behind the decision to leave (on here) that led to the mindset of we leave to put British buiness first and stand on our own two feet lots of jokes about producing spitfires and stuff, I wouldn't worry about it I genuinely wondered that was all as I hadn’t read the article. I was however on a Skype call with the FD of warburtons last week as they are a client of mine.
July 3, 20206 yr 1 minute ago, Spider said: They also feed beefburgers to swans. And infected spinal in their baps
July 3, 20206 yr 6 minutes ago, MickyD said: Sorry? Go on, explain about the big chickens. I think Spider thought he was in his Youri acct 😂
July 3, 20206 yr 3 minutes ago, Rudy said: And infected spinal in their baps think you mean baguettes
July 3, 20206 yr 48 minutes ago, Spider said: Ask him why he hates British farmers when you next speak. "You have big sheds, but nobody's allowed in. And inside these big sheds are twenty-foot-high chickens, because of all the chemicals you've put in 'em, and these chickens are scared! They don't know why they're so big! They go "Oh, why am I so massive?" And they're looking down at all the other little chickens and they think they're in an aeroplane because all the other chickens are so small." 43 minutes ago, MickyD said: Sorry? Go on, explain about the big chickens. 38 minutes ago, Spider said: They also feed beefburgers to swans. Oh, riiiiiiiiight! That’s cleared that up then!
July 3, 20206 yr 1 hour ago, MickyD said: I’m not being glib with my response but when you think about it, British wheat and flour must be massively over-priced if you factor in transport costs. The wagon from port to bakery is no different than from flour mill to bakery then you add the price of a bulk tanker between US port and UK port and road haulage at US end then the actual product must be massively cheaper for these extra transportation costs to still bring the price down. Maybe this isn’t so much about Warbys shopping around as it is the UK farmers and hauliers pricing themselves out of the market. Not sure about pricing themselves out. I agree in the face of it, it doesn't seem logical that wheat from across the pond can be cheaper than ours, however the scale on which the product is grown is enormous compared to our farms. Brings down production costs.
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