Crawley White

Oh no. Not at all. Never in a million years. Honest.

Good job I don't work in Crawley then. View from my office....

Really? Its baking down here - thought the whole country was getting a nice bit of sunburn. If that's the case I'll add that in the For column for staying down south.

At last, last two days have been blistering (for England before you start Bolty!)

Well, he went looking for new experiences....

TBH we've more on our hands with breaking (or rather amending) our own economic policy at the moment. I expect the Tories (and Maarsh) to make hay while the sun shines.

Its all true, i've cleaned for the best of them - Conley, Essex, the whole cast of Neighbours! TBH Crawley White is a bit of an boring evil twin with nice line in left wing socialist dogma who likes to play devils advocate. In the same way that Kent White is a big black soul singing mother fcuker! I spoke to him the other week- sounded good although i didn't realise he was now working in the sex trade

By dad's got a boxed LP of Tommy complete with drawings etc. Anyone know how much this would fetch?

It's Traquin Farquar actually. Honestly, you try and mix with the oiks... Did Kent tell you his middle name is Trampus?

Bit harsh, I was dragged up on the mean streets of Smithills

Too right, 21 days a year! After all the sick I clean up its a disgrace!

29 days! I knew the building trade was full of dossers!

Well if you agree that 1930s Britain's healthcare system was better before the NHS and therefore the Beveridge report was a farce then you will be in the minority. I'm afarid that this is up for debate regardless of what Maaarch says.

Indeed it is wish I could say I was suprised you used such weak logic - quite apart from being irrelevant to anything I said, past performance without a ceteris paribus condition is quite useless as a predictor. Britain could already spend it's entire GDP on medical care and not cover all possible illnesses to the extent possible at the moment. The important practical debate is not NHS = perfect vs. NHS = awful, but, given we're unlikely to get rid of it, what level of service should we provide. The simple reality is that people will always die who could, under modern medical science, have survived, because of the cost of medical provision. We must therefore be honest about this reality and attempt to decide what the correct level of universal provision should be - I suspect we could spend every penny earnt in Britain on this endevour and still not satisfy you. And that is where we fundamentally differ - I don;t believe you have offered any realistic funding 'system', what do you propose? Independant charitable funding for hospitals? Are you that keen to get away from any state involvement? I also don't believe beveridge was on any side but his report was and still is probably the most important social post war document which led directly to the creation welfare state. If the system that you misrepresent here was so perfect why was there a need for such a policy? I'm sorry but a smug revisionist history of post war society challanging the need for a national health service, died a death with Hobsbawn and this isn't me being dialectical or following a party line. But you are right, this is really dull.

But as a society we were asking this question 30 years ago (increase in population, increase in elderly people ect how will the NHS cope etc) and it carried on. The key world in Charitbale hospitals is the word charity, it needs donations or wealth independant backers and how would this be rolled out nationwide? These hopsitals that you talk of range from huge teaching facilites such as St Guys to mainly holding places in the regions for those with illnesses which they were going to die from and how good these were depended on if the local council could be bothered putting ratepayers money into them. I'm sorry but i don't agree with out that people 'did not die in the streets' they were certainly dieing of illnesses which those who could afford medical care were not. Also Beveridge does not agree with this statement when he formulated his post war report on tackling the 5 great problems of the time these being want, disease, squalor, ignorance and idleness which were killing British society. So to surmise you want better services with inequal access, those who can't afford should just doff their cap and die quietly in the corner?

Oh sorry forgot to add.... The NHS is far from a perfect service, we all know that and I'm sure we can all name one incident where they have let us down either with botched appointments, long waiting list - even killer bugs lurking on the underside of your bedside sink. But come on, even Tory Boy Maaarsh has to conceed that no goverment would ever abandon the NHS and even Thacher's grim attempts to run it into the ground didn't work. Free at the point of care. Remember what that actually means. To help the poorest in society a free health service is essential. If you can afford it and don't like it then fine you can pay for your health care, that is your choice and fair dos to you. But remember in naming everyone one of those incidents where the system has let you down, I bet you can recall many more where it has helped you or your family. Where there many people on here who were born in BUPA hospitals? As I say its not perfect, but an alternative based on medical insurance? I'd like to see the compliants then. The USA has more than 50 million people without healthcare cover because they cannot afford it, is this a better society to let these people die of preventable illnesses? Maybe you do (mind you there was someone on here arguing for a revaluation of Hitler the other day so I guess anything is possible!)

The NHS just reinforces what we already know; once you prevent management being stake-holders, any organisation becomes run for the management. 10 years of inherited economic growth have been spent on civil service payrises and the creation of more and more bureaucracy.

It was always a crap pub but I spent most of the mid 90s in The Crown & Cushion playing pool badly, sporting various dodgy haircuts before getting piss wet through walking to Hawthorns to drink Newcastle Brown and dance to Shed Seven. Urgh.

Been to Cuba, not sure if the little one would like the flight time.

Some cheap deals in Albufeira. Is it a dump?

Ta

Thanks but Bridlington was enough for me for this year.

I know there seems to be a lots of questions around at the moment about holidays but some of you lot seem to be much more knowledge about cheap breaks etc So I'm also looking for advice. I need a 4-5 day break that is good for little kids ie 2 years old - so beach, pool etc Great to have a resort that is not full of people in their 20s on the piss. Ta.

I never go on it, can never find what I'm looking for, also if they are going to do landing pages, make them look a little bit interesting. Didn't we sign up with NTL in the first flush of TV money, a whole package thing, I also think Newcastle did it in the prem and a whole host of Championship clubs. But how long was the contract we signed? I would think that the new communications director will be looking for new companies as we speak becasue anyone worth their salt in comms would not settle for that garbage unless they were contractually beholden.

It is total garbage but is this not becasue we are signed up on a long term deal with Team Talk or summert? There are other clubs who have similar sites that are just as bad. Sooner we can get an independent designer to do it the better