exiledwhite2 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 So why bring your job into it then? Next you'll be telling us how signing a player is a bit like changing the toner in a photocopier. I just explained why I made the comparison. If you can't grasp a simple concept like that, fine. Just stop rattling on about nothing.
trotter58 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 I just explained why I made the comparison. If you can't grasp a simple concept like that, fine. Just stop rattling on about nothing. I thought you weren't making a comparison? Make your mind up!
exiledwhite2 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 He didn't sort it out last season or the season before. It was sheer luck and the f?ck ups of the teams around that we got in to UEFA this year. I think you'll find, technically, it's because we got enough points to qualify. Us. Football matches. Points. A simple formula really. Top eight 4 years in a row speaks for itself, there is no debate to be had on this front. Saying we finished seventh by sheer luck is crass and basically, pretty silly.
exiledwhite2 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 I thought you weren't making a comparison? Make your mind up! 'kin ell. Are you having me on?
no balls Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 I think you'll find, technically, it's because we got enough points to qualify. Us. Football matches. Points. A simple formula really. Top eight 4 years in a row speaks for itself, there is no debate to be had on this front. Saying we finished seventh by sheer luck is crass and basically, pretty silly. Yes there f?cking is a debate to be had. You have your opinion I have mine, and mine is neither silly or crass, cockhead. Or have you not grasped the concept of a forum? So you thought our form improved post Christmas upto May did it? Please explain if you can get off you high horse to debate that is? Oh and not getting in Europe the season before? He sorted it post Christmas then did he?
trotter58 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Saying we finished seventh by sheer luck is crass and basically, pretty silly. Yes, you're right. We stormed to seventh last year didn't we? We also f**ked up UEFA Cup qualification the previous season thanks to Allardyce being more interested in managing England than BWFC, or have you forgotten about that as well?
exiledwhite2 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Yes there f?cking is a debate to be had. You have your opinion I have mine, and mine is neither silly or crass, cockhead. Or have you not grasped the concept of a forum?So you thought our form improved post Christmas upto May did it? Please explain if you can get off you high horse to debate that is? Oh and not getting in Europe the season before? He sorted it post Christmas then did he? It is No I didn't think our form improved back end of last year. Why the HELL would I think that? Simple: we had bad runs under Allardyce. He ALWAYS put them right. That's it. Don't argue the point, it's fact. He never got the chance to correct last years slide but we qualified for Europe. Seasons are judged as a whole and his previous suggested he would have refreshed us for this season. Like he had revitalised us when we'd died on our arse at the end of the season before last. And YOU talking about people on high horses is a f?cking laugh!
exiledwhite2 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Yes, you're right. We stormed to seventh last year didn't we? We also f**ked up UEFA Cup qualification the previous season thanks to Allardyce being more interested in managing England than BWFC, or have you forgotten about that as well? And you - could you try to actually make a point? Instead of just arguing about concepts you don't even understand? We finished top eight a few years in a row. If you want to call it luck, fair play to you. Stupid, but it's up to you. I suspect we won't have such 'luck' for a while now, could be decades.
no balls Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 It is No I didn't think our form improved back end of last year. Why the HELL would I think that? Simple: we had bad runs under Allardyce. He ALWAYS put them right. That's it. Don't argue the point, it's fact. He never got the chance to correct last years slide but we qualified for Europe. Seasons are judged as a whole and his previous suggested he would have refreshed us for this season. Like he had revitalised us when we'd died on our arse at the end of the season before last. And YOU talking about people on high horses is a f?cking laugh! I like your "Fact" wording? Fact? B?llshit. I'll argue any point I want. I think I'm right & you wrong. It's a forum, look that word up. Allardyce never got the chance to correct the slide? Was that because he'd decided he was going and didn't give a flying f?ck about Bolton, maybe? Oh and the season before? Please elaborate how he got that one right.
trotter58 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 And you - could you try to actually make a point? Instead of just arguing about concepts you don't even understand? I think that you should just stick to making tortuous analogies between your job and managing a Premier League football team, it's much more entertaining. Was that point clear?
trotter58 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Simple: we had bad runs under Allardyce. He ALWAYS put them right. That's it. Don't argue the point, it's fact. He never got the chance to correct last years slide but we qualified for Europe. Right, so you're already criticising Sammy Lee's management style after three whole games of the season but Allardyce 'never got the chance to correct last years slide' which started around the turn of the year if i remember correctly. How long do you think it would have taken him to turn it around? Another 6 months?
exiledwhite2 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 I like your "Fact" wording? Fact? B?llshit. I'll argue any point I want. I think I'm right & you wrong. It's a forum, look that word up.Allardyce never got the chance to correct the slide? Was that because he'd decided he was going and didn't give a flying f?ck about Bolton, maybe? Oh and the season before? Please elaborate how he got that one right. Who is talking about why Sam left? I wasn't. Stick to the point at hand. I said Sam always corrected the bad spells we had. That's a fact. Argue all you like - it's your prerogative, but it just proves that you'll argue the toss about anything without even thinking it through. The season before? We ended badly. Eighth was it? And then we recovered and finished seventh. This is not rocket science. Hence, I think Sam would've got us going again this year after a poor run at the end of last season. End of the day you said we were 'lucky' to get in Europe and I said after 4 successive top 8 finishes, that is not luck. You were talking bollocks and you can rant and rave all you like, it doesn't change that. We got enough points and it wasn't a low points total either. It would almost always get you in.
HomerJay Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Lee has us bottom of the league after gaining zero points from 3 fairly easy games....Allardyce got 7 points from the corresponding fixtures last season.So it is difficult to do anything but criticise Lee's management. fairly easy games???? 1. toon, allardyce coming was always gonna be difficult 2. fulham, sanchez is a decent manger who did very well with ireland and spent 30m of so over the summer 3. pompey, VERY difficult place to go normally, will be even more so this season. i'll reserve judgement of sammy management skills until were well into the seasons thanks.
exiledwhite2 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 fairly easy games???? 1. toon, allardyce coming was always gonna be difficult 2. fulham, sanchez is a decent manger who did very well with ireland and spent 30m of so over the summer 3. pompey, VERY difficult place to go normally, will be even more so this season. i'll reserve judgement of sammy management skills until were well into the seasons thanks. Homer - none of those sides have won another game and we took seven points from those fixtures last year. Early to judge yes, but if you think it's not worrying...
trotter58 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Lee has us bottom of the league after gaining zero points from 3 fairly easy games....Allardyce got 7 points from the corresponding fixtures last season.So it is difficult to do anything but criticise Lee's management. But you could argue that Sammy Lee has had to cope with a struggling team which he inherited from Allardyce and integrate a whole load of new signings at the start of this season which is something that Allardyce didn't have to cope with at the start of last season.
no balls Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Who is talking about why Sam left? I wasn't. Stick to the point at hand. I said Sam always corrected the bad spells we had. That's a fact. Argue all you like - it's your prerogative, but it just proves that you'll argue the toss about anything without even thinking it through. The season before? We ended badly. Eighth was it? And then we recovered and finished seventh. This is not rocket science. Hence, I think Sam would've got us going again this year after a poor run at the end of last season. End of the day you said we were 'lucky' to get in Europe and I said after 4 successive top 8 finishes, that is not luck. You were talking bollocks and you can rant and rave all you like, it doesn't change that. We got enough points and it wasn't a low points total either. It would almost always get you in. It's not a fact FFS. So you were happy with the way we faded away the season before were you? We did fade away, as we were pushing for Chumps League pre Christmas as I recall. Yes, I know we wouldn't have ended the season in the top 4, even a silly thoughtless girl like me knows that. But no UEFA? Will you stop saying I'm talking boll?cks and just accept others have differing views? And I thought I was arrogant? Maybe not as much I thought. Thanks for making me feel better about my foibles.
exiledwhite2 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 It's not a fact FFS. So you were happy with the way we faded away the season before were you? We did fade away, as we were pushing for Chumps League pre Christmas as I recall. Yes, I know we wouldn't have ended the season in the top 4, even a silly thoughtless girl like me knows that. But no UEFA? Will you stop saying I'm talking boll?cks and just accept others have differing views? And I thought I was arrogant? Maybe not as much I thought. Thanks for making me feel better about my foibles. No. There is no differing view to be had. We had bad spells under Allardyce but came through them. Please explain how you 'disagree'
trotter58 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Newcastle was the hardest of the 3 but they had lost 5 in a row at the Reebok before Lee took over. Fulham just avoided relegation last season and are likely to be in the relegation battle this season. Portsmouth...a mid table side with injury/suspension problems.And its been a lucky ground for us.We'd lost 1 of our last 10 league games there before Lee took over. It could have been a much harder start than that but it couldn't have been a lot easier. The Newcastle team this season will be a much tougher proposition than they were last season, they could have lost 10 in a row at the Reebok for all the relevance it had to the first game at the season. I agree with you about Fulham, personally i think it was the most winnable game of the three. If you're going to refer to our past record at Pompey, you might also want to mention that they played us off the park last season. All teams have a bad patch at the some point during the season. Let's hope we're getting ours out of the way at the start.
no balls Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 No. There is no differing view to be had. We had bad spells under Allardyce but came through them. Please explain how you 'disagree' We didn't qualify for UEFA the other season, when we were in the driving seat, because Allardyce was busy elsewhere & we had terrible form post Christmas last season for exactly the same reason, as I said FFS. Look, you don't & won't agree so just leave it before one of us gives up the will to live, eh?
trotter58 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 We had bad spells under Allardyce but came through them. What makes you think that we won't come through the bad spell we're currently experiencing? (and please don't use your job as an analogy)
exiledwhite2 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 We didn't qualify for UEFA the other season, when we were in the driving seat, because Allardyce was busy elsewhere & we had terrible form post Christmas last season for exactly the same reason, as I said FFS. Look, you don't & won't agree so just leave it before one of us gives up the will to live, eh? What are you going on about? You said we were lucky to get in Europe, it's a bollocks statement, just admit it.
no balls Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 What are you going on about? You said we were lucky to get in Europe, it's a bollocks statement, just admit it. No I f?cking won't. It's a forum. You think it is, others seem to agree. For Christ's Sake, are you a woman (and an old one at that)? Football is alot about luck, remember Pompey's disallowed goal on the last day. No UEFA for us if it wasn't disallowed.
exiledwhite2 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 What makes you think that we won't come through the bad spell we're currently experiencing? (and please don't use your job as an analogy) Did I say we wouldn't?
exiledwhite2 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 No I f?cking won't. It's a forum. You think it is, others seem to agree. For Christ's Sake, are you a woman (and an old one at that)?Football is alot about luck, remember Pompey's disallowed goal on the last day. No UEFA for us if it wasn't disallowed. We got 56 lucky points I guess. I don't give a shit who agrees or doesn't, putting a 38 game season down to luck is plain and simple foolishness. Give it up
trotter58 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Did I say we wouldn't? Yes, you said, 'We've got the players to be a good side but he is setting them up to fail'.
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