hulmey71 Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 http://www.givemefootball.com/tactics-from-the-dugout-new/defending-corners/defending-corners--with-an-adventurous-approach Could be wrong here but I think Bristol Rovers left 4 or 5 players up on the half-way line at Burnden in the 80's. I suupose which tactics you adopt depends upon the quality of your defenders!
MickyD Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Ooh good; the "How best to defend a corner" topic. We haven't discussed this for at least; Oh, 15 minutes!
exiledwhite2 Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Haha how the fuck has this become probably the single most discussed topic on WW? For mine, you should ALWAYS leave one up. But I guess it comes down to personnel.
hulmey71 Posted January 30, 2010 Author Posted January 30, 2010 Ooh good; the "How best to defend a corner" topic. We haven't discussed this for at least; Oh, 15 minutes! just clarifies the options.
Happy Wanderer Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 How about everyone up on the edge of the half way line, now that would cause a stir "oi Jussi, you're on your own"
Carlos Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 OC has stated what we do and why, I agree with him, I can't remember the last time we scored on the break from a corner. Defend when you need to defend and move up the pitch as a unit.
hulmey71 Posted January 30, 2010 Author Posted January 30, 2010 OC has stated what we do and why, I agree with him, I can't remember the last time we scored on the break from a corner. Defend when you need to defend and move up the pitch as a unit. I wouldn't disagree as we lack pace - i can't see Bolton scoring a goal like Dunn did against us. However with a couple of quick players it'd be a good outlet to ease pressure. Would always bring Davies and Klasnic back for their heading ability.
Happy Wanderer Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 I wouldn't disagree as we lack pace - i can't see Bolton scoring a goal like Dunn did against us. However with a couple of quick players it'd be a good outlet to ease pressure. Would always bring Davies and Klasnic back for their heading ability. Weiss? Chungy? Elmander?
HazzyinBolton Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 I'd at least like to see one left up - even if we don't score from the break we could at least stop the ball being pumped straight back into our box.
HomerJay Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Haha how the fuck has this become probably the single most discussed topic on WW? For mine, you should ALWAYS leave one up. But I guess it comes down to personnel. id agree, 1 man up is something i would prefer. but i did not shout abuse at megson and will not shout abuse at coyle if he believes on 11 men back defending.
Didledee Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Leaving everyone back means when we clear the ball it will come straight back, no wonder we always seem to finish a game with around 35-40% possesion. Leave a couple up, meaning defenders have to stay back, then we have options, ok it makes a little more space for attackers if they win the ball or if the ball gets knocked down, but if our players mark correctly then if we do win the ball, we have a chance of playing out, and then create attacks. I understand why people say everyone back is a good tactic, but this season we have conceded quite a few times from corners, it's nice to see a mix up of play, why be 1 dimensional in that area, why not try something new in a game. If we're not prepared to give it a try, then how do we know if it's a good plan or not? We have pace for counters, we have strong and tall defenders, why give the opposition more confidence? if the ball from a corner does not end up going out for a goalkick or a throw in then it will rather be won by the opposition, cleared to the opposition or has we see time and again, we win it and then just lump it down the field and then defend the next attack. That's my opinion, and if we don't try it, please don't reply saying when do we ever score from counters etc, the answer is we never try.
Gaz Nt Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 How many times did liverpool have a chance today though on the edge of the box after a corner! Somebody needs to stay in the D when were defending them and not just everyone in the 6 yard box!
DeaneWhite Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 As much as I agree with OC on this, I can't help but think if SKD had stayed forward, we wouldn't have conceded the second goal! Until we have a defence we are confident in, no-one will be left up front whilst defending corners in the forseeable future. That guy at the forum was put well and truly in his place on that issue. Coyle is a very astute man and will change tactics according to the players at his disposal. I can see why people want to leave one or two up front, but we let in too many goals from set pieces for it to be feasible at the moment. That will only change when we have a back four capable of accurate passing, as opposed to the "hit and hope" defensive tactics we have endured for at least two and a half years (probably much longer). If we had a defender capable of picking out Klasnic, Elmander or Davies from fifty yards, it would be worth Coyle's while changing. Until then........ forget it!
MickyD Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 As much as I agree with OC on this, I can't help but think if SKD had stayed forward, we wouldn't have conceded the second goal! Until we have a defence we are confident in, no-one will be left up front whilst defending corners in the forseeable future. That guy at the forum was put well and truly in his place on that issue. Coyle is a very astute man and will change tactics according to the players at his disposal. I can see why people want to leave one or two up front, but we let in too many goals from set pieces for it to be feasible at the moment. That will only change when we have a back four capable of accurate passing, as opposed to the "hit and hope" defensive tactics we have endured for at least two and a half years (probably much longer). If we had a defender capable of picking out Klasnic, Elmander or Davies from fifty yards, it would be worth Coyle's while changing. Until then........ forget it! Just a point: SKD has often been one of our best defenders this season! That said, why he was the one near the corner of the box ready to make a quick break I don't know. He's not exactly Usain Bolt!
desperado Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 I wouldn't disagree as we lack pace - i can't see Bolton scoring a goal like Dunn did against us. However with a couple of quick players it'd be a good outlet to ease pressure. Would always bring Davies and Klasnic back for their heading ability. Hulmey lad! So this is how you spent your sat night?! Shame you couldn't make it, but don't worry we spent the kitty wisely! Good night, rough this morning! Did you hear Coyle at the fans forum? He answered the question of leaving a forward up pretty well. Primary pupose on a corner is to not concede, he talked about having players on the posts being essential, using Chungy as an example where he didn't do his job against Arsenal and also about having players with pace positoned on edge of box(which as Micky D above suggests didn't happen at Liverpool with SKD there!) I don't think a lone player up front would do much to retain possession or set up an attack.
cbwfcd Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) I can't help but think if SKD had stayed forward! You must be mad to leave SKD up, he is one of the best headers of the ball that we have. IMO, it would be LCY, someone with pace and a decent first touch, who could chase down any clearances and hold the ball up. If OC says its 11 men back then so be it. Not picking up the players on the edge of the box (like saturday) is something we have been guilty of for a while and it needs sorting. You'd think after the first couple times someone might do something about it? Edited February 1, 2010 by cbwfcd
DeaneWhite Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 (edited) My post was tongue-in-cheek. SKD's bit of bad luck was one of those things you just can't legislate for. Thankfully, those who decry OC's corner tactics did not leap on the incident and present it as a genuine argument in favour of keeping one man up. We simply can't afford to! Edited February 1, 2010 by DeaneWhite
YATESY Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 Hulmey lad! So this is how you spent your sat night?! Shame you couldn't make it, but don't worry we spent the kitty wisely! Good night, rough this morning! you haven't mentioned the hour or so in Panacea have you? oh shite
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