This might have been covered in other threads in the past, but going to Tottenham on Saturday and Stoke the away game before, set me thinking about what i prefer new or old Stadiums.I didn't need long to decide.Travelling from Victoria on a packed smelly tube for about 20 minutes, realising i was one of very few English people on the train, if not in London it's self. Getting off at Seven Sisters and walking for 20 minutes through a ghetto only to find all pubs in the area would only let in home fans.Then once in the ground being bullied by orange warriors to "watch the game, sit down, take your feet off the back of that seat", it reminded me of being at school.

No, it's the Reebok and similar new Stadiums every time for me.Not easy but somehow we need the atmosphere created at ground like Tottenham.

The easiest way to create an atmosphere is to make all lower tiers of the ground as cheap as the NSL and tell everyone who wants to sing to get into the ESL south corner.

 

the people who sit in the other stands and moan about being to to sit down won't have an excuse not to be in the right area as the price will be the same.

 

There's not much else BWFC themselves can change about going to the football to improve the atmosphere other than OC getting the side playing attractive exciting football.

The easiest way to create an atmosphere is to make all lower tiers of the ground as cheap as the NSL and tell everyone who wants to sing to get into the ESL south corner.

 

the people who sit in the other stands and moan about being to to sit down won't have an excuse not to be in the right area as the price will be the same.

 

There's not much else BWFC themselves can change about going to the football to improve the atmosphere other than OC getting the side playing attractive exciting football.

I miss Burnden

 

 

But this chap can get us back there

 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1269288/STEPHEN-HAWKING-How-build-time-machine.html

The easiest way to create an atmosphere is to make all lower tiers of the ground as cheap as the NSL and tell everyone who wants to sing to get into the ESL south corner.

 

 

I likes this idea, Frankie boy!

This might have been covered in other threads in the past, but going to Tottenham on Saturday and Stoke the away game before, set me thinking about what i prefer new or old Stadiums.I didn't need long to decide.Travelling from Victoria on a packed smelly tube for about 20 minutes, realising i was one of very few English people on the train, if not in London it's self. Getting off at Seven Sisters and walking for 20 minutes through a ghetto only to find all pubs in the area would only let in home fans.Then once in the ground being bullied by orange warriors to "watch the game, sit down, take your feet off the back of that seat", it reminded me of being at school.

No, it's the Reebok and similar new Stadiums every time for me.Not easy but somehow we need the atmosphere created at ground like Tottenham.

If/when Spurs build their new ground, it is a stone's throw away from White Hart Lane, so you will still have to endure the tube and all that comes with it.

 

In the same way you do to get to Arsenal's new ground.

 

Assuming you go there by train of course.

Traditionalist me. Yes, Burnden was a p1ss trough at times and the old girl was getting a bit ricketty but the place was steeped in history and visiting the place empty still raised the hairs on the back of my neck. The Reebok leaves me cold by comparison.

 

 

Like Fratton Park and Craven Cottage for these reasons. Just rip the fcuking seats out (of course).

Traditionalist me. Yes, Burnden was a p1ss trough at times and the old girl was getting a bit ricketty but the place was steeped in history and visiting the place empty still raised the hairs on the back of my neck. The Reebok leaves me cold by comparison.

 

 

Like Fratton Park and Craven Cottage for these reasons. Just rip the fcuking seats out (of course).

Well, it's always cold at the reebok and you are not stood close together to keep warm

Edited May 3, 201016 yr by boltondiver

I bet those thugs in Orange wont say a dickie bird to those scum bag manure fans who insist to remain standing what ever the circumstances.

This might have been covered in other threads in the past, but going to Tottenham on Saturday and Stoke the away game before, set me thinking about what i prefer new or old Stadiums.I didn't need long to decide.Travelling from Victoria on a packed smelly tube for about 20 minutes, realising i was one of very few English people on the train, if not in London it's self. Getting off at Seven Sisters and walking for 20 minutes through a ghetto only to find all pubs in the area would only let in home fans.Then once in the ground being bullied by orange warriors to "watch the game, sit down, take your feet off the back of that seat", it reminded me of being at school.

No, it's the Reebok and similar new Stadiums every time for me.Not easy but somehow we need the atmosphere created at ground like Tottenham.

 

I work in London about 3 days a week on average and stay in hotels near Excel East London; travelling on that DLR you would think you are in another country. Some days there are no English speaking people at all on the train; most of them are OK ish but there is a lot who just shouldn't be here.

 

London is the pits and most football fans travel to watch their team as not many will live within 10 miles of the ground.

I work in London about 3 days a week on average and stay in hotels near Excel East London; travelling on that DLR you would think you are in another country. Some days there are no English speaking people at all on the train; most of them are OK ish but there is a lot who just shouldn't be here.

 

London is the pits and most football fans travel to watch their team as not many will live within 10 miles of the ground.

 

 

Edmonton is the pits. In a city so big I don't think you can judge it just by the shitty parts or East or North London.

This might have been covered in other threads in the past, but going to Tottenham on Saturday and Stoke the away game before, set me thinking about what i prefer new or old Stadiums.I didn't need long to decide.Travelling from Victoria on a packed smelly tube for about 20 minutes, realising i was one of very few English people on the train, if not in London it's self. Getting off at Seven Sisters and walking for 20 minutes through a ghetto only to find all pubs in the area would only let in home fans.Then once in the ground being bullied by orange warriors to "watch the game, sit down, take your feet off the back of that seat", it reminded me of being at school.

No, it's the Reebok and similar new Stadiums every time for me.Not easy but somehow we need the atmosphere created at ground like Tottenham.

 

All of what you said has got nothing to do with Old or New Grounds.

 

You vertually just said Home Fan V Away Fan !!!

 

You dont get any of that at the Reebok, because your at home. Away fans still get much of that treatment.

 

Also, Spurs ground IS their old Ground, but Stoke;s ground IS their new one!!!

 

Im not sure what your comparing!

Edited May 4, 201016 yr by Pablo

I went to watch a game at Boavista play on Sunday, they got a new 30,000 stadium for Euro 2004. It's a stunner, 4 sides, really tight, the total opposite of the openess of the Drag?o. Except Boavista got implicated in a match fixing scandal and dealt with rather harshly. So now they are in the 3rd Division North or something.

 

The stadium is now an empty shell with no electricity even, the bogs and "bar" were in total darkness yet all 4 sides were open even if there were only a couple of hundred in each one. However, the Ultras spent all the game singing and 800 or so people made for a better atmosphere than many English grounds, ours included. Of course the orange warriors would have been straight in there... Their drummer joined in, playing a snare not a bass, and it sounded good as they did a congo for 90 minutes.

 

In short, it's what you make of it. But as 200 Ultras were dancing round an empty stadium there were no Werthers Originals in sight, they were in the other stands. And oddly they joined in, clapping occasionally.

Im a traditionalist as well, when i first started going to football it was at burnden, sat on the railing, rickety walls dirty toilets crap pitch and generally a dump, but my first football memories are my favorites. i still love to go to away games and to old grounds, goodison,gigg lane and my favourite bramall lane, thats a proper football day out to me.

 

id rather go to an old ground than to the emirates despite how nice the emirates is

Im a traditionalist as well, when i first started going to football it was at burnden, sat on the railing, rickety walls dirty toilets crap pitch and generally a dump, but my first football memories are my favorites. i still love to go to away games and to old grounds, goodison,gigg lane and my favourite bramall lane, thats a proper football day out to me.

 

id rather go to an old ground than to the emirates despite how nice the emirates is

 

A lot of these old grounds though are really new grounds on the original site and nothing like they were when I first visited them. You mention Bramall Lane but what has happened to the County cricket pitch that was there.

I was going to suggest that Bramhall Lane isn't actually the old ground. They knocked down each stand and developed it. As they did at Wolves, Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham, Newcastle, Brum, etc.

 

Shame they didn't do it at Burnden though.

so, biff

 

was bramhall lane a 3 sided affair, similar to northampton?

so, biff

 

was bramhall lane a 3 sided affair, similar to northampton?

 

Yes. The cricket pitch extended to where the stand is now. Interesting fact. Bramall (no H in Bramall) Lane is one of only two grounds that have staged an international football match, an FA Cup Final replay and a cricket test match.

What's the other? I have no doubt Old Trafford may be the answer even though the cricket and football are quarter of a mile apart.

 

 

Or maybe Trent bridge.

without looking it up, the oval

All of what you said has got nothing to do with Old or New Grounds.

 

You vertually just said Home Fan V Away Fan !!!

 

You dont get any of that at the Reebok, because your at home. Away fans still get much of that treatment.

 

Also, Spurs ground IS their old Ground, but Stoke;s ground IS their new one!!!

 

Im not sure what your comparing!

Not suprised you'd defend old stadiums given the state of the dump you call Goodison.I was not only comparing stadiums old and new but things like transport, access, facilties, surroundings, all of which are absolutely crap at Everton and Tottenham but are good at the Reebok and Stoke.It's got nothing to do with being a home or away fan it's about the match day experience to coin a phrase,When i go to a game i like to get there without loads of hassle with transport or walking for miles etc, wether it be home or away.You will no doubt realise what i mean if ever Everton build their tesco Superstore/stadium outside Liverpool.

For me, it's all about standing or sitting. The newness, location, transport, refreshments, whatever, have little to do with it.

I've rarely been able to get into the atmosphere of a match since we moved to the Reebok, but the powers-that-be have no understanding of that.

It's part of the attraction of non-league football : I can choose.

A lot of these old grounds though are really new grounds on the original site and nothing like they were when I first visited them. You mention Bramall Lane but what has happened to the County cricket pitch that was there.

 

yeah i know, but you know what i mean, its just got that old traditional feel to it.

How so? If they'd built the Reebok Stadium where Burnden Park once stood, would it still be a modern, breezeblock stadium or would it stink of piss?

 

All the shit folk spouted about not going watching any more because they moved out of town is a load of old bollocks. Folk stopped watching because they got bored. We were already on low turnouts by the time we left Burnden. The gates have actually improved because of the new ground, not suffered because of it.

 

Football grounds have moved on since the 80s and 90s. (Except parts of Everton) Welcome to the 21st century!

Not suprised you'd defend old stadiums given the state of the dump you call Goodison.I was not only comparing stadiums old and new but things like transport, access, facilties, surroundings, all of which are absolutely crap at Everton and Tottenham but are good at the Reebok and Stoke.It's got nothing to do with being a home or away fan it's about the match day experience to coin a phrase,When i go to a game i like to get there without loads of hassle with transport or walking for miles etc, wether it be home or away.You will no doubt realise what i mean if ever Everton build their tesco Superstore/stadium outside Liverpool.

 

Well no mater what NEW GROUND Spurs and Arsenal get, you will always have foreign people on the tube. How is that anythng to do with Old or even New ground, or even match day experiences ??

 

I have been to over 80 Football grounds, and the WORST experiences are at the New grounds, without a doubt.

 

No pubs, crap ale, boring ground, no atmosphere, for some reason they are colder, even worse food. You cant sing, you cant stand, No free parking, takes ages to get away from, too many Day trippers etc.

 

What is good about that ??

 

Stewards are ok, but nowere near as bad as the policing years ago, or even the Stewarding in the North East / Midlands years ago. I got punched in the face at Roker Park about 16 years ago by a steward, and I have never had that at Stadium of Light !!!

 

Nobody even mentioned Goodison you tool.

 

 

No pubs, crap ale, boring ground, no atmosphere, for some reason they are colder, even worse food. You cant sing, you cant stand, No free parking, takes ages to get away from, too many Day trippers etc.

 

 

 

I think it may be something to do with the coefficient of thermal heat absorbsion or the latent heat capacity of concrete compared to wood.

 

But then again, it might be that they build these stadia on barren land without hills to divert the wind up and over the stadium.

 

I really don't know. I care even less.

 

Here's a rule of thumb I often use:

If it's cold, wear a coat; if it's hot, wear a shirt. Works for me!

for me

 

best ground in the prem, WHL

 

worst, goodison, villa park

 

its not a question of old or new