is that it now game over no chance of POTUS

 

Rayguns out

2 hours ago, Dimron said:

These dyed in the wool left wing types do get very aggressive and warlike don't they?

Top draw projection 👏

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

Blair has to take the most blame for sending our troops into Iraq for no good reason, so I can give you that one.

I'll take that one. 

Just now, Bertie said:

Top draw projection 👏

Did you mean 'drawer'?

11 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Did you mean 'drawer'?

I’ll give you that one 😂🙄

Unless Dimrons also a great sketch artist?!

6 hours ago, Spider said:

Just to be clear

You don't think we should be contributing a single penny to Ukraine, or any other existing conflict.

That's not a question, that's a summary of your post, by the way.

Interesting stand.

 

I've always been against all nations, east and west, sending aid, particularly weapons to the eastern Ukraine... to me this leads to continuation of the conflict and creates a situation where the "infection" can spread globally... we need to keep it localised in the Donbas  and that way easier to resolve.

4 hours ago, Bertie said:

I’ll give you that one 😂🙄

Unless Dimrons also a great sketch artist?!

Wind-up artist probably 🙂

Just now, Dimron said:

I've always been against all nations, east and west, sending aid, particularly weapons to the eastern Ukraine... to me this leads to continuation of the conflict and creates a situation where the "infection" can spread globally... we need to keep it localised in the Donbas  and that way easier to resolve.

Russia would absolutely fucking steamroller the Ukrainians if they had no help.

By now, Ukraine would have likely been under russian control.

At what point do you stand up to the likes of Putin? Or do you just not think we should at all?

4 hours ago, Traf said:

As I recall it, it went to a Parliamentary vote.

Labour had a Commons majority of 160-ish, but quite a few of their MPs voted against the war as did the LibDems, yet the motion was carried with a majority of around 270, so I still don't believe it's all on Labour's shoulders.

I do, of course, apologise for bringing some facts to the table.

Talking of facts, didn't Labour produce the "dodgy dossier" leading to the cross party majority?

Just now, Spider said:

 

At what point do you stand up to the likes of Putin? Or do you just not think we should at all?

At the NATO boundary

7 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Just the pair? Without a cock?

Oh, hang on a minute.................

Apologies... I meant Antenna, they sprout and twitch when I detect bullshit

Just now, Dimron said:

At the NATO boundary

So you'd be ok if Putin was sending drones to Switzerland, Chechia etc?

 

14 minutes ago, Spider said:

So you'd be ok if Putin was sending drones to Switzerland, Chechia etc?

 

No Czechia and Switzerland are firmly in the western bloc, unfortunately for Ukraine they are direct neighbours to a more powerful and authoritarian regime governed by an ex-secret policeman and should behave accordingly.

11 minutes ago, Dimron said:

No Czechia and Switzerland are firmly in the western bloc, unfortunately for Ukraine they are direct neighbours to a more powerful and authoritarian regime governed by an ex-secret policeman and should behave accordingly.

Alright Nev

31 minutes ago, Dimron said:

No Czechia and Switzerland are firmly in the western bloc, unfortunately for Ukraine they are direct neighbours to a more powerful and authoritarian regime governed by an ex-secret policeman and should behave accordingly.

So are Finland & Norway, surely you wouldn't let them lovely folk be rolled over would you?

10 minutes ago, Sweep said:

So are Finland & Norway, surely you wouldn't let them lovely folk be rolled over would you?

They are NATO members and therefore are entitled to protection from their fellow members.

Following on from whether Switzerland and Czechia should be defended by their surrounding NATO neighbours, I would include the Republic of Ireland also, who aren't NATO

47 minutes ago, Dimron said:

No Czechia and Switzerland are firmly in the western bloc, unfortunately for Ukraine they are direct neighbours to a more powerful and authoritarian regime governed by an ex-secret policeman and should behave accordingly.

Behaving accordingly - being ok with letting that neighbour roll its tanks in and take all its land?

 

36 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Alright Nev

Just a realist at the end of the day. diplomacy wasn't seriously attempted initially. There were lots of missed opportunities which, several years later have resulted in Ukraine losing territory

3 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Just a realist at the end of the day. diplomacy wasn't seriously attempted initially. There were lots of missed opportunities which, several years later have resulted in Ukraine losing territory

To be honest, I wouldn't give that much of a fuck if we just put the iron curtain back up, and let Russia have the lot back. If it meant stability in our energy prices and an end to all this fucking about

8 minutes ago, Spider said:

Behaving accordingly - being ok with letting that neighbour roll its tanks in and take all its land?

 

If i was in charge of a colony of elks living next to a bear pit I'd tread very carefully

Heaven forbid any former Soviet countries try and move away from mother Russia. But even when they aren't and are just seeking their own path under a guarantee from the US and the UK (remember that Dimron?) they should somehow still be subservient to a former communist bloc in Putin's Russia.

47 minutes ago, Dimron said:

If i was in charge of a colony of elks living next to a bear pit I'd tread very carefully

Would you just let the bears walk in and eat the elks?

Or would you defend yourself as best you could to stop that happening?

Or to put it another way, would you bend over and gape your arsehole so Putin could pop his little Cossack widgie into it?

49 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Heaven forbid any former Soviet countries try and move away from mother Russia. But even when they aren't and are just seeking their own path under a guarantee from the US and the UK (remember that Dimron?) they should somehow still be subservient to a former communist bloc in Putin's Russia.

The non proliferation treaty was necessary and thankfully Ukraine honoured it... it does still mean that Russia cannot legitamely attack Ukraine with nukes.

It has been argued that  the Budapest Memorandum is not an international treaty as such but there is a case that Russia has breached it, but should we go to war over this?

At the end of the day we are where we are and we need to find a final settlement rather than continuing on the current path... I agree with Trump's actions, at the end of the day he is the only one with the guts to meet and talk with Putin.

 

48 minutes ago, Spider said:

Would you just let the bears walk in and eat the elks?

Or would you defend yourself as best you could to stop that happening?

Or to put it another way, would you bend over and gape your arsehole so Putin could pop his little Cossack widgie into it?

I would trade with the bears... they prefer berries, veg and fruits... stay friendly

5 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I would trade with the bears... they prefer berries, veg and fruits... stay friendly

But the bears want to walk in and eat the elks.

Thats the point you seem to be missing with this frankly nonsensical metaphor.

If I wanted to annex half your garden, would you let me?

4 minutes ago, Dimron said:

The non proliferation treaty was necessary and thankfully Ukraine honoured it... it does still mean that Russia cannot legitamely attack Ukraine with nukes.

It has been argued that  the Budapest Memorandum is not an international treaty as such but there is a case that Russia has breached it, but should we go to war over this?

At the end of the day we are where we are and we need to find a final settlement rather than continuing on the current path... I agree with Trump's actions, at the end of the day he is the only one with the guts to meet and talk with Putin.

 

I don't think we should go to war with Russia, no.

But I also don't think Putin's expansionist ideology should be tolerated either.

You have still not answered why a sovereign nation shouldn't be allowed to make it's own path post soviet rule.

Seems Witikoff is another Putin apologist who takes Russian propaganda at face value so you aren't alone.