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4 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Shouldn’t we just be signing players for specific positions instead of Jacks of all trades? We need two proper full backs what’s so difficult about that? I’m sure players themselves would prefer to play a settled position rather than being swopped and changed all the time. Let’s just keep it simple.

Money will be a factor.

I suspect versatility also comes into play.

I suspect if Stephenson is signed he will be pencilled in for right back, but if Schumacher changes to wing backs he seems to be equal comfortable playing that role too. If Toal is injured or suspended he can play it seems centre back or in a 3 at the back, the right side of the three.

We have to cut our cloth accordingly, players who are comfortable to play in several positions are cheaper buying a specialist right back and also a specialist right wing back - two for the price of one, sort of thing.

I don't see why people are seeing his signing as a risk as such (yes all signings are a risk, I know that) but at 22 years old he's already had around 100 games under his belt and played 60 of them in the same division as Dalby and Kenny who we all feel will be ok in the Championship.

You could throw back at me that Richard Taylor also had around 60 games in the SP but I am on record after seeing his highlight reel that I couldn't see anything special about him for a season with us in the third tier, so unlike Wanderlust who rated Taylor more than Dalby (who ended up our Player of the Season) I got that one right and I reckon (again from just his highlight reel) that he will be just fine for us if we sign him.

We haven't even signed him yet anyway!

9 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

Money will be a factor.

I suspect versatility also comes into play.

I suspect if Stephenson is signed he will be pencilled in for right back, but if Schumacher changes to wing backs he seems to be equal comfortable playing that role too. If Toal is injured or suspended he can play it seems centre back or in a 3 at the back, the right side of the three.

We have to cut our cloth accordingly, players who are comfortable to play in several positions are cheaper buying a specialist right back and also a specialist right wing back - two for the price of one, sort of thing.

I don't see why people are seeing his signing as a risk as such (yes all signings are a risk, I know that) but at 22 years old he's already had around 100 games under his belt and played 60 of them in the same division as Dalby and Kenny who we all feel will be ok in the Championship.

You could throw back at me that Richard Taylor also had around 60 games in the SP but I am on record after seeing his highlight reel that I couldn't see anything special about him for a season with us in the third tier, so unlike Wanderlust who rated Taylor more than Dalby (who ended up our Player of the Season) I got that one right and I reckon (again from just his highlight reel) that he will be just fine for us if we sign him.

We haven't even signed him yet anyway!

Nobody has said it is a risk. I have my views on how many players i think will step up and be ok in the Championship and it is on one hand

The Jury is out on at least ten players and those include the two we have signed and Stephenson. We have no choice but take risks some will work some wont as you say it is about cutting our own cloth this season and seasons to come

20 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

Nobody has said it is a risk. I have my views on how many players i think will step up and be ok in the Championship and it is on one hand

The Jury is out on at least ten players and those include the two we have signed and Stephenson. We have no choice but take risks some will work some wont as you say it is about cutting our own cloth this season and seasons to come

Yes they have...

1 hour ago, meanderson93 said:

I agree, think its a smart signing in a business sense but a risky one in a footballing sense, I'd like to see us add another right back, someone like Christie but without the lead weights for legs ideally.

And you even agreed it was!

1 hour ago, masi 51 said:

This!!!

AND you've even said we have to take risks in the post I'm replying to of yours!

24 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

We have no choice but take risks some will work some wont as you say it is about cutting our own cloth this season and seasons to come

And then you repeat back to me what I've already posted namely that not all signings work out and we have to cut our cloth according to our needs.

So to summarise I haven't a clue what the point of your post to me was, other than to say you only think we have 5 players at most who you reckon can make it in the Championship and that they don't include the two we just signed and Stephenson if he comes.

Ok that's your opinion.

I believe you are wrong - that's my opinion.

I don't believe we will get relegated, so by definition the ones we have now (plus Stephenson) and the ones to come will be 'adequate' Championship players at the very least.

Maybe not the best but good enough to stay up - hence why our transfer dealing this season (and no doubt the next as well) won't be signing of the quality of players you might desire (maybe a few will to be fair) but that we've needed to cut our cloth to meet our needs (and within our financial abilities) meaning the likes of Watson, Davies, Stephenson, etc.

FV aim for this season is to 'compete' at this level and to me that is simply code meaning to avoid relegation.

And that is I believe exactly what we will do.

Henrik Pedersen started out as a forward. It'll be fine.

Sluffy you are one of those in life that is educated yet as thick as fog. When i and others said these young players with no Championship experience are a risk it is because until they play there we do not know if they can step up. That also applies to 90% of our established players. What me and meanderson93 are saying is Stephenson may be a risk in that he is not ready to play 40 odd games next season at right back, but over the length of his contract he will improve year on year and we may sell him on in a year or two at a tidy profit.

What are the players i desire???? I am more than happy to leave that up to SS/Fergal and yes i would take 4th bottom if offered it right now and it will be a decent season if we survive. A better keeper, two experienced full backs, a leader to push both Forino and Toal and a Established number nine are a must in my opinion, but that is all it is my opinion. That still leaves enough room to bring in your Watsons and Stephenson and hopefully ship out another three, four from the squad already here.