14 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Yes but the analogy shows it’s doesn’t always work. Pointing out a major flaw in an alternative is something to consider, isn’t it?

We did get there in the end.

Erm...not quite, but you will get there, just keep going.

You've tried to balance the scales in your post, and the qualification doesn't work because one column is overbearing in failure - and that's not twaddle, or rants, that's just facts

13 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

I won’t defend this government. That would be difficult for any true blue. I do however see the alternative and that does worry me. Have you looked at them in detail?  Start at their shadow chancellor. It’s all about the economy at the end of the day.

Looking forward, Labour supporters will say “it can’t be any worse” 

It can.

 

19 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Pointing out a major flaw in an alternative is something to consider, isn’t it?

What is it about the Shadow Chancellor we're suppose to be worried about?

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

Erm...not quite, but you will get there, just keep going.

You've tried to balance the scales in your post, and the qualification doesn't work because one column is overbearing in failure - and that's not twaddle, or rants, that's just facts

Your right I said trying to balance. That in itself shows how difficult it is. 
I won’t stop trying though and shining a light on Labour’s flaws. I mentioned one last night but the deflection seems to have obscured it. She will crop up again. 

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Your right I said trying to balance. That in itself shows how difficult it is. 
I won’t stop trying though and shining a light on Labour’s flaws. I mentioned one last night but the deflection seems to have obscured it. She will crop up again. 

Please do - all political parties and public servants should be scrutinised by the people who put them there.

It's when apathy wins that we all lose. And I'll keep enjoying our discussions when we fundamentally disagree.

But now I really have to get to bloody homebase, I can procrastinate no longer!

Edited April 29, 20233 yr by Not in Crawley

28 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Your right I said trying to balance. That in itself shows how difficult it is. 
I won’t stop trying though and shining a light on Labour’s flaws. I mentioned one last night but the deflection seems to have obscured it. She will crop up again. 

What was the "flaw" you mentioned?

42 minutes ago, Cheese said:

 

What is it about the Shadow Chancellor we're suppose to be worried about?

Well, she’s not very good. Her statement that the tax payer spent £60 billion last year was a lie or incompetence. Her plans for windfall tax just don’t add up and she was recently reprimanded by the statistical authority over misleading claims in a graph she tweeted. There is more but there is a match to attend.

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Well, she’s not very good. Her statement that the tax payer spent £60 billion last year was a lie or incompetence. Her plans for windfall tax just don’t add up and she was recently reprimanded by the statistical authority over misleading claims in a graph she tweeted. There is more but there is a match to attend.

They keep pushing this greater windfall tax, but is it just an out and lie?

22 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Well, she’s not very good. Her statement that the tax payer spent £60 billion last year was a lie or incompetence. Her plans for windfall tax just don’t add up and she was recently reprimanded by the statistical authority over misleading claims in a graph she tweeted. There is more but there is a match to attend.

I've just had a quick google and can't find any references to any of those things. As you say though, there's a match to attend. COYWM

24 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I've just had a quick google and can't find any references to any of those things. As you say though, there's a match to attend. COYWM

You'll be getting a graph at full time.

30 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

You'll be getting a graph at full time.

Why wait? 
Utter nonsense again.

 

Currently reading “Lessons in Organising, What Trade Unions Can Learn from the War in Teachers”

4 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Another meaningless rant. What has my son got to do with it🤷‍♂️
No chocolate 🏅 for you today😊

I did wonder why he referenced your son, I thought I might have missed something earlier in the thread. Must have been a family size bag of wine gums that he demolished. 

6 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Wine gums? Oh, get you. Clever. Nope was working on the opening night of a show so was depressingly sat on a delayed last train home at Victoria eating an awful samosa I picked up as I didnt have time to grab tea.

As for the other part (and it's very sweet how you leap into headlong to BB's defence) it's the tacit implication that despite it being an absolute shit show of a decade that they would still be a better government than the opposition. 

Now, even you can probably wrap your blinkers around that one.

I shall look forward to some whataboutry post shortly. But first lawnmowing and then off to Homebase, lucky me.

 

Pointing out that the alternative is, let’s say not the best, is not a defence of who is already in. It’s a realisation that they’re both shit

28 minutes ago, royal white said:

Pointing out that the alternative is, let’s say not the best, is not a defence of who is already in. It’s a realisation that they’re both shit

I've been through this with BB, he's tried to look at the balance and he was found wanting slightly.

 

Blimey

That's twice in the space of a week from The Guardian

33 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Blimey

That's twice in the space of a week from The Guardian

I’ll stop posting articles from the Guardian now. I’ll add them to the list of the Mirror, Mail, Express, Sun etc. 

Gutter press.

Needs getting rid of for this alone. Embarrassed to fuck that this is our leader.

 

24 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Needs getting rid of for this alone. Embarrassed to fuck that this is our leader.

 

Admit it, it’s because he’s brown isn’t it. 

9 minutes ago, royal white said:

Admit it, it’s because he’s brown isn’t it. 

Admit it, you think this is genuine enthusiasm, and you think he's "a safe pair of hands", but you'd much rather Boris came back.

Edited April 29, 20233 yr by Cheese

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

I’ll stop posting articles from the Guardian now. I’ll add them to the list of the Mirror, Mail, Express, Sun etc. 

Gutter press.

😅

9 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Admit it, you think this is genuine enthusiasm, and you think he's "a safe pair of hands", but you'd much rather Boris came back.

Of course they all do, but they're all a bit shamefaced at the moment so sniping from the sidelines is the best they can muster.

I'm really enjoying it, not because anything of the last 13 years has been pleasurable, but because they've (supporters and enablers and all) are walking around without a fig leaf of justication of the policies they either espoused or defended.

Next 12 months are going to be a lots of hot air guff and whataboutry from a few folk.

15 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Admit it, you think this is genuine enthusiasm, and you think he's "a safe pair of hands", but you'd much rather Boris came back.

I’ll take that as a yes 

On 28/04/2023 at 16:00, London Wanderer said:

You’ve still not got given us a tangible benefit mate… 

cue a series of shite jokes and insults. I’ve taught 4 year olds with better deflection tactics. 

Do fuck off you halfwit. 4yo's?

Not wanting to play your game but, as you seem to be insisting on a solitary example look no further than AUKUS. Impossible whilst held within the suffocating straitjacket of the EU. They might have a dithering quasi cadaver at the helm but an alliance with the best armed, most technologically advanced nation on the planet can't be viewed as anything other than a huge benefit.

I am sure that you and the cabal will find a way to discredit it however.

It seems that losers remain bitter.

On 28/04/2023 at 16:24, Zulu said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/27/angela-rayner-sam-tarry-labour-mp-soulmate-boyfriend/
 

Our next elected government will be Labour unfortunately. 
This woman will be number two on the gun. 
Enjoy. 

Repulsive does as repulsive is.

On 28/04/2023 at 18:54, Sweep said:

you do know this is never going to happen don't you....

No. I think there's a good chance that it will arrive in a party manifesto somewhere along the line.

It would be a vote winner with many too.