Tommy Robinson

[royal white]

19 minutes ago, Cheese said:

They've backed players to do whatever gesture they see fit. What 'story' do you think it tells?

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league-black-lives-matter-carabao-cup-efl-swansea-b2137326.html

“We support the players in whatever they decide, but we want to make sure that going forward, irrespective of taking the knee, that we are still talking about racism, we are talking about reasons why players had to take the knee, because those issues haven’t gone away,” he told the PA news agency.

Quite obviously the players don’t see a point in doing it hence the majority of clubs knocking it on the head. I’m surprised the police, KIO, anti racism campaigners etc haven’t been pleading with them to carry on (it is only 3 seconds after all) after it’s roaring success and rise in racism (which some are seeing as part of its success) 

[Not in Crawley]

RW bot in full effect.

[Spider]

33 minutes ago, royal white said:

Quite obviously the players don’t see a point in doing it hence the majority of clubs knocking it on the head. I’m surprised the police, KIO, anti racism campaigners etc haven’t been pleading with them to carry on (it is only 3 seconds after all) after it’s roaring success and rise in racism (which some are seeing as part of its success) 

Has racism “risen”, or has the level of it only now come to light since it’s under scrutiny?

[Not in Crawley]

8 minutes ago, Spider said:

Has racism “risen”, or has the level of it only now come to light since it’s under scrutiny?

Don't prod the bot! 

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, Spider said:

Has racism “risen”, or has the level of it only now come to light since it’s under scrutiny?

Yep, it’s a good job Footballers taking the knee has made fans brave and given them the courage to report racism. (Weirdly enough when asked on here if you would report racism the only person who answered said he wouldn’t) 

[Not in Crawley]

😆

[Not in Crawley]

30 minutes ago, Spider said:

Has racism “risen”, or has the level of it only now come to light since it’s under scrutiny?

The verdict is in but the results are mixed. Let’s start with the positives first. Kick It Out reports a 13 per cent decrease in PL racial abuse and a 38 per cent fall in reports on social media. However, this is where the positives stop. Grassroots football saw a 41 per cent rise in racism cases with a further 14 per cent rise reported in EFL.

Interestingly, where you find less taking of the knee (in grassroots and EFL), there is a corresponding growth in racial abuse reports. On the other hand, where you find more kneeling (in the PL), you find declining reports. Statistics should never be taken at face value, but preliminary conclusions can certainly be drawn on the impact of taking the knee on racist behaviour. On the surface, at least, it seems that the gesture has been beneficial in helping to stimy racism

[Zico]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

The verdict is in but the results are mixed. Let’s start with the positives first. Kick It Out reports a 13 per cent decrease in PL racial abuse and a 38 per cent fall in reports on social media. However, this is where the positives stop. Grassroots football saw a 41 per cent rise in racism cases with a further 14 per cent rise reported in EFL.

Interestingly, where you find less taking of the knee (in grassroots and EFL), there is a corresponding growth in racial abuse reports. On the other hand, where you find more kneeling (in the PL), you find declining reports. Statistics should never be taken at face value, but preliminary conclusions can certainly be drawn on the impact of taking the knee on racist behaviour. On the surface, at least, it seems that the gesture has been beneficial in helping to stimy racism

 

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, Zico said:

 

I know...mind blowing stuff.

[royal white]

12 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

The verdict is in but the results are mixed. Let’s start with the positives first. Kick It Out reports a 13 per cent decrease in PL racial abuse and a 38 per cent fall in reports on social media. However, this is where the positives stop. Grassroots football saw a 41 per cent rise in racism cases with a further 14 per cent rise reported in EFL.

Interestingly, where you find less taking of the knee (in grassroots and EFL), there is a corresponding growth in racial abuse reports. On the other hand, where you find more kneeling (in the PL), you find declining reports. Statistics should never be taken at face value, but preliminary conclusions can certainly be drawn on the impact of taking the knee on racist behaviour. On the surface, at least, it seems that the gesture has been beneficial in helping to stimy racism

Is that the KIO campaign who use only stats reported directly to them? 

[Not in Crawley]

😄 yes that bloody data. Its a tinker for being wrong.

I sure hate numbers.

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

😄 yes that bloody data. Its a tinker for being wrong.

I sure hate numbers.

So what about the bloody data that doesn’t get reported to KIO? You just ignoring that? I suppose if you hate numbers you will 

[Spider]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

So what about the bloody data that doesn’t get reported to KIO? You just ignoring that? I suppose if you hate numbers you will 

What data?

[Not in Crawley]

Oh god, I poked the WW whatifery.

Just read the last line, it's not perfect, it's not binary, but it's small positive steps.

I honestly don't understand your issue with it. Well, maybe I do, but I would hope that wasn't the case.

[Not in Crawley]

4 minutes ago, Spider said:

What data?

Where's the furious Google button?

[royal white]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

What data?

PFA reports, police reports etc. the KIO reports are people who have reported directly to them. (Not sure what happens after that and if the police get involved or not. I doubt they will) 

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Yep, it’s a good job Footballers taking the knee has made fans brave and given them the courage to report racism. (Weirdly enough when asked on here if you would report racism the only person who answered said he wouldn’t) 

Only because I would take more pleasure in telling them to fuck the fuck off.

[Cheese]

11 minutes ago, royal white said:

PFA reports, police reports etc. the KIO reports are people who have reported directly to them. (Not sure what happens after that and if the police get involved or not. I doubt they will) 

Are KIO not allowed to look at that data?

[Not in Crawley]

12 minutes ago, royal white said:

PFA reports, police reports etc. the KIO reports are people who have reported directly to them. (Not sure what happens after that and if the police get involved or not. I doubt they will) 

So you don't have anything then?

OK. Those slippery numbers, what a bugger.

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Are KIO not allowed to look at that data?

Yep. 

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Are KIO not allowed to look at that data?

Wrong question, they have done massive data research, its really robust, which is why is not right or wrong. Like any findings.

It's but but but RW who loves anecdotal evidence and less like those horrible truth telling numbers.

 

[royal white]

Campaigners believe topical issues which have been in the national spotlight, such as Black Lives Matter protests and players taking the knee at games to highlight racial and social injustices, may have contributed to the rise in abuse from the stands.

 

This is After an explosion of racism offences in the West Midlands.

 

Now what would make them think that? 

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Yep. 

But you just said that data doesn't get reported to them?

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

Wrong question, they have done massive data research, its really robust, which is why is not right or wrong. Like any findings.

It's but but but RW who loves anecdotal evidence and less like those horrible truth telling numbers.

 

Those numbers from KIO are from people who have reported to them only. Not to the police. Basically it’s like that knob we had on here who said he would report people booing the knee to the police. When it came to it he wasn’t brave enough (though kneeling was meant to make fans braver) he might have gone home and sent a letter to KIO or reported it on the app instead. 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

But you just said that data doesn't get reported to them?

You’re confusing yourself here. They can look at it all they want. They don’t use those figures in their data.