This stuff about lives being shortened by the use of strong painkillers

 

Are we talking a few days, couple of weeks

 

If so, crack on

Until there's a change in the law then it's a big no no.

 

You'd need permission from the patients too, doesn't seem that was the case here.

This stuff about lives being shortened by the use of strong painkillers

 

Are we talking a few days, couple of weeks

 

If so, crack on

If you've a patient on a syringe driver then its usually because you're trying to keep them comfortable and pain free at the end of life.

 

So in answer to your question, minutes, hours or perhaps days in the worst case scenarios.

 

Still shouldn't happen though.

I'd have been perfectly happy for my dad to be helped on his way

 

As would he

 

Crack on

No issue there. Just need to get the law changed.

 

In the gosport case it seems that wasnt necessarily the case in which case criminal charges may result.

I'd have been perfectly happy for my dad to be helped on his way

 

As would he

 

Crack on

Would you have been expected to be told/asked about this, or would you just be happy for them to do it without mentioning to either yourself or your father ?

In our circumstances I'd want em to get on with it

 

He had no fluids for the last ten days and was skin and bone

 

Bits stopping working left right and centre

 

Pointless him being alive so tbf I'm happy to trust the professionals

 

Doesn't need me confusing issuez

In our circumstances I'd want em to get on with it

 

He had no fluids for the last ten days and was skin and bone

 

Bits stopping working left right and centre

 

Pointless him being alive so tbf I'm happy to trust the professionals

 

Doesn't need me confusing issuez

I get all that. But when they start applying the same treatment to every fucker who comes in because it saves them a lot of pissing about, there’s a problem.

Which is why I was asking for some more info

 

Kent confirmed my expectation

 

If somebody is definitely on their way out I think it's best all round

 

And asking relatives puts them in a difficult position

 

Just my take on it having been through it

Was also the opinion of his niece who is a nurse

Is there a system where they put do not resuscitate on someone's bed/notes?

 

Before you're dad was in such a bad way, would it have been better if you as a family and him, or maybe just him alone would have the option to declare that when he reaches a certain point, then he should be able to have everything such medicines administered?

 

My dad went gradually down hill, and it got to a point where we began to realise we'd got to a point of no return. By then he probably wouldn't have been capable of making the decision.

You cling to hope though that this current antibiotic might work, so you keep trying.

 

In the end though my mum was approached and asked if she would consent to no more treatment and let him go. So I suppose there is, in part, a system in place. It just needs modernising to prevent undue suffering, but that in itself does potentially bring it's own problems.

Looking back, in part, the situation contributed to my mental health issues. Feeling guilty because as much as I wanted him to get better, I also wanted him to slip away peacefully to avoid his suffering and our own stresses.

Difficult one, it really is.

Just been reading a bit more about it from the report. Not all of the people were on end of life care - some were in just for respite or recuperation - and it would be a very odd decision to commence a syringe driver in those circumstances.

 

These syringe drivers usually have 3 drugs in them - diamorphine (for pain), midazolam (for anxiety) and hyoscine (to help clear up any secretions) mainly because the patient can't cough or clear their throat.

 

Gosport have also been criticised for using diamorphine when it wasn't clinically indicated - and for starting the doses at too high a level.

 

I've been asked countless times by relatives to 'give them something to help them go' - but we can't do it. Even though arguably in would be the more compassionate thing to do.

 

I've been asked countless times by relatives to 'give them something to help them go' - but we can't do it. Even though arguably in would be the more compassionate thing to do.

My mum was a cancer nurse at the hospice, Marie curie and Brian house kids unit for 40 years.

 

The amount of unnecessary suffering and prolonging of life she’s seen doesn’t bear thinking about.

 

Why it’s allowed to happen is beyond me.

I'm in the casino camp on this

 

The amount of unnecessary suffering and prolonging of life she’s seen doesn’t bear thinking about.

 

Why it’s allowed to happen is beyond me.

 

thats the dilemma isnt it, boils down to the humane element 

 

far from humane to end a life early however in certain instances is it the most humane thing to do? juxtaposition 

 

then who makes that decision. One persons opinion could differ from the next 

thats the dilemma isnt it, boils down to the humane element

 

far from humane to end a life early however in certain instances is it the most humane thing to do? juxtaposition

 

then who makes that decision. One persons opinion could differ from the next

Surely a shout for VAR then?

Surely a shout for VAR then?

 

family members signalling a tv to the specialist 

I'm in the casino camp on this

Aye, in straightforward cases.

 

Gosport wasn’t like that, though. See Kent’s post a bit further up.

I've said this before on here - but write down a plan about what you want to happen to you in the event that you become incapacitated and aren't able to make a decision about things yourself. Have it witnessed and tell your family all about what your preferences are.

I've said this before on here - but write down a plan about what you want to happen to you in the event that you become incapacitated and aren't able to make a decision about things yourself. Have it witnessed and tell your family all about what your preferences are.

Aye I suppose it’s where you draw the line.

 

Where does it stop with dementia and all that caper? Or fucked up from a car crash or summet?

Aye I suppose it’s where you draw the line.

 

Where does it stop with dementia and all that caper? Or fucked up from a car crash or summet?

That poor sod whose bird chucked acid on him and was convicted earlier.

Had to go to Europe to end his own life and torment.

My dad had already made his wish list and didn’t want to be resuscitated or operated on again.

 

Good Friday at 6ish in the evening, we were told there’s nothing more that could be done given the gravity of his condition.

 

The brilliant team on D2 at The Royal Bolton granted his last wish of a final single malt. We nipped home and got him one...

 

His “comfortable drugs” were administered at 20-30, they told us he’d last between anything from 4 hours up to 48 hours.

 

By 01-07 on Easter Saturday, he’d breathed his last, but passed very peacefully.

Until there's a change in the law then it's a big no no.

 

You'd need permission from the patients too, doesn't seem that was the case here.

 

Allegedly, we're talking about people being singled out for this 'care' because the nurse didn't like them, so we're way past permissions or tweaks in the law here.

Good stuff that mate.

If anything good can be taken out of that situation

Allegedly, we're talking about people being singled out for this 'care' because the nurse didn't like them, so we're way past permissions or tweaks in the law here.

Where have you read that?

Allegedly, we're talking about people being singled out for this 'care' because the nurse didn't like them, so we're way past permissions or tweaks in the law here.

Absolutely; that does seem to be the inference.

In fairness to cassie, his situation as many of us will have experienced tends to lead us to wanting an upgrade in the law.

I agree wholeheartedly that as the CPS is supposedly going to be looking at this (after the inquiry?) then this could be way beyond that.

Where have you read that?

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bbe47906-76ed-11e8-bc7b-5fc0ce8b4638