Take Over

[miamiwhite]

31 minutes ago, Howardroark said:

Bahrain, U.S & UK

Howard....with the topical news re Bahrain, will we see Human Rights protestors at our games ?

Just asking for a friend

 

[Tombwfc]

1 hour ago, Sluffy said:

Just for the record, I believe Forest Green are set up just to play to Doidge's strengths.

If so since he returned to them he's scored 5 league goals - but only 2 of them in their last 11 games - this remember at League 2 level (the fourth tier).

He's played every minute of every match apart from his first game back (v Bury) where he came off in the 81st minute no doubt to a standing ovation from those Bolton supporters who travelled nearly a 400 mile round trip to buy one of Dale Vince's 'No Ken Do' T-shirts with all funds going to the Bolton Wanderers Supporters Trust.

Still think he's a goal scorer?

https://www.transfermarkt.com/christian-doidge/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/255353/saison/2018/wettbewerb/GB4/verein/3455

 

Nothing personal against the lad, I hope he comes good but on his present form it seems Parkinson was right not to rate him at Championship level even though you clearly think you know best.

 

I mean, there's only one person who decided to sign Doidge for a club at Championship level, and he's not on this board (yet).

[birch-chorley]

24 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

But how does it sound better on paper when we know next to fuck all about it / then / what funds they have?

I’m happy to support them unequivocally if we have that info.

FTR I’m not sure Howard will/should tell us all of that, but in it’s absence it could be turkeys voting for Xmas 

What we do know sounds better on paper for Howard’s men...

Bahrain Royal family, current successful sports ownership of McLaren, worth billions 

Basini, previous failed sports ownership of Watford, made bankrupt for £40k 

I’m not saying we know a lot, but what we do seems straightforward to me 

[nantwichwhite]

A snippet from Ken's statement

which gives us the time to finalise the deal for the sale of my shares to the interested buyers

I am interested in the use of the word buyers (more than one) Is this Ken saying, there may well be a problem with share ownership and this would pan out in a week or so?

Over to you Howard

[WestStandUpper]

8 minutes ago, Howardroark said:

I’m a snow plough

A serious answer would be appreciated 

[JJ10]

2 minutes ago, nantwichwhite said:

A snippet from Ken's statement

which gives us the time to finalise the deal for the sale of my shares to the interested buyers

I am interested in the use of the word buyers (more than one) Is this Ken saying, there may well be a problem with share ownership and this would pan out in a week or so?

Over to you Howard

Buyers can always mean buyers as in different individuals who are part of the same party or different groups of buyers. 

He says it every time and you never know which. 

[jules_darby]

6 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

What we do know sounds better on paper for Howard’s men...

Bahrain Royal family, current successful sports ownership of McLaren, worth billions 

Basini, previous failed sports ownership of Watford, made bankrupt for £40k 

I’m not saying we know a lot, but what we do seems straightforward to me 

If they’re that a good option and he’s such a bad one (of which £££ is the most important component) why have they “let” Bassini in?

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I don’t think it’s as clear cut otherwise I think they’d already own us by now. 

Which makes me question what we actually do know

i’m hopeful of being wrong of course 

[nantwichwhite]

Good point but why the delay of a week, if due diligence has been done, he has passed the EFL test and an offer has been made.  Does not make sense. Ken also alluded to recapitalising, is this to be secured against assets. Are there any left? 

[WestStandUpper]

1 minute ago, jules_darby said:

If they’re that a good option and he’s such a bad one (of which £££ is the most important component) why have they “let” Bassini in?

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I don’t think it’s as clear cut otherwise I think they’d already own us by now. 

Which makes me question what we actually do know

i’m hopeful of being wrong of course 

From my understanding, they offered Ken, he accepted and then changed the goalposts.

They won't pay more than what the club is worth just to appease a greedy owner, so have gone in the back door and are just waiting to see if that is successful.

If someone wants to pay more than they think its worth, then that's up to them.

Same as buying a house... you offer what you want to pay, if you get it great, if not, you move on as you have no connection to that club.

[Sluffy]

15 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

I mean, there's only one person who decided to sign Doidge for a club at Championship level, and he's not on this board (yet).

Thanks for the reply but I've no idea what you mean?

The point I was making was that Doidge has hardly set Forest Green on fire with his goals since his return even though he's the focal point for their team and he's been playing the full 90 minutes in all of their matches.

As I say I wish him well, hope he does turn out to be a good one.

Edited April 3, 2019 by Sluffy
grammar error

[WestStandUpper]

2 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

Thanks for the reply but I've no idea what you mean?

The point I was making was that Doidge has hardly set Forest Green on fire with his goals since his return even though he's the focal point for their team even though he been playing all of the 90 minutes in all of their matches.

As I say I wish him well, hope he does turn out to be a good one.

I saw potential in Doidge for us and played in the right system (to his feet and in the box rather than lumped up to him) then he would have succeeded.

Parkinson has ruined any attacking threat we had, who have mostly all gone on to do it at other clubs who have fitted the system and played in the right position - Armstrong, Tyler Walker, Keshi, ALF.

Unless you're defensive minded or a bulldozing target man you aint gonna fit in with PP - just ask Ozzie!

Edited April 3, 2019 by WestStandUpper

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

If they’re that a good option and he’s such a bad one (of which £££ is the most important component) why have they “let” Bassini in?

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I don’t think it’s as clear cut otherwise I think they’d already own us by now. 

Which makes me question what we actually do know

i’m hopeful of being wrong of course 

They chose not to deal with ken, according to H.

Took the long way round.

As for why- don't know, perhaps they don't like him?

[jules_darby]

3 minutes ago, WestStandUpper said:

From my understanding, they offered Ken, he accepted and then changed the goalposts.

They won't pay more than what the club is worth just to appease a greedy owner, so have gone in the back door and are just waiting to see if that is successful.

If someone wants to pay more than they think its worth, then that's up to them.

Same as buying a house... you offer what you want to pay, if you get it great, if not, you move on as you have no connection to that club.

That’s my point exactly 

Except houses are usually good investments; football clubs on the whole are not

So if they are pragmatic business types that won’t pay “over the odds”, then why would we assume they’d invest “over the odds”?

[Sluffy]

1 minute ago, WestStandUpper said:

I saw potential in Doidge for us and played in the right system (to his feet and in the box rather than lumped up to him) then he would have succeeded.

Parkinson has ruined any attacking threat we had, who have mostly all gone on to do it at other clubs who have fitted the system and played in the right position - Armstrong, Tyler Walker, Keshi, ALF.

My point above is that Forest Green does play to his strengths, yet the statistics shows that even at two levels below us, he simply isn't a prolific goal scorer this season.

[snowball]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

They chose not to deal with ken, according to H.

Took the long way round.

As for why- don't know, perhaps they don't like him?

Sound like sensible people then vut we dont know much about them really. 

[WestStandUpper]

Just now, Sluffy said:

My point above is that Forest Green does play to his strengths, yet the statistics shows that even at two levels below us, he simply isn't a prolific goal scorer this season.

The truth is Sluffy, we will never know how good he could have been for us, because of KA.

If he had scored 10 goals in 10 apps before Xmas, the end result would have been the same. KA didn't not pay because he hadn't scored goals, KA did it because KA is a cunt.

Doidge will no doubt split opinion based on his appearances for us, which I think were out of position, and his potential, but that's football... it's about opinions.

[birch-chorley]

6 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

If they’re that a good option and he’s such a bad one (of which £££ is the most important component) why have they “let” Bassini in?

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I don’t think it’s as clear cut otherwise I think they’d already own us by now. 

Which makes me question what we actually do know

i’m hopeful of being wrong of course 

I’m not stupid enough to think that Howard’s guys are coming to put billions in, far from it. Any owner can only put £40m in over 3 years anyway or we break FFP and get docked points 

I’m just basing my gut feel on the limited history we do have on the two potential buyers, one of which is horrendous (still preferable to liquidation of course) 

I don’t know why they haven’t completed, I don’t know why anyone hasn’t completed yet (Basran, Bassini, Howard’s lot), in fact I don’t know why anyone would touch us with a barge pole 

IF as has been reported Ken is holding out for a bigger pay day then I can understand why potentially investors would hold out to get a better price

That doesn’t change the fact that Bassini has a horrendous track record and the other mob own McLaren F1 

[HomerJay]

9 minutes ago, WestStandUpper said:

From my understanding, they offered Ken, he accepted and then changed the goalposts.

They won't pay more than what the club is worth just to appease a greedy owner, so have gone in the back door and are just waiting to see if that is successful.

If someone wants to pay more than they think its worth, then that's up to them.

Same as buying a house... you offer what you want to pay, if you get it great, if not, you move on as you have no connection to that club.

Where does your understanding stem from?

[WestStandUpper]

3 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

That’s my point exactly 

Except houses are usually good investments; football clubs on the whole are not

So if they are pragmatic business types that won’t pay “over the odds”, then why would we assume they’d invest “over the odds”?

Not wanting to give into our glorious leader and line his pockets further I suspect.

The deal with Moonshift and the shares is already agreed and done, hence why they are waiting to knock KA off his throne so they get the club at their value.

[WestStandUpper]

1 minute ago, HomerJay said:

Where does your understanding stem from?

Just reading this thread and it taking over my life for the past 2 weeks.

[ProfessorWoland]

5 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

My point above is that Forest Green does play to his strengths, yet the statistics shows that even at two levels below us, he simply isn't a prolific goal scorer this season.

It's possible that the entire sorry process of the 'transfer' to BWFC has affected his form. I wouldn't hold that against him.

[jules_darby]

3 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I’m not stupid enough to think that Howard’s guys are coming to put billions in, far from it. Any owner can only put £40m in over 3 years anyway or we break FFP and get docked points 

I’m just basing my gut feel on the limited history we do have on the two potential buyers, one of which is horrendous (still preferable to liquidation of course) 

I don’t know why they haven’t completed, I don’t know why anyone hasn’t completed yet (Basran, Bassini, Howard’s lot), in fact I don’t know why anyone would touch us with a barge pole 

IF as has been reported Ken is holding out for a bigger pay day then I can understand why potentially investors would hold out to get a better price

That doesn’t change the fact that Bassini has a horrendous track record and the other mob own McLaren F1 

Fair enough. But folk were flocking to back “Howard’s boys” way before a lot of that tangible stuff was known

I’m going to remain on the fence until more is known

[jules_darby]

3 minutes ago, WestStandUpper said:

Not wanting to give into our glorious leader and line his pockets further I suspect.

The deal with Moonshift and the shares is already agreed and done, hence why they are waiting to knock KA off his throne so they get the club at their value.

But that won’t happen if Bassini buys it in the mean time will it

and If they are “serious” business types, I doubt that any feelings towards KA are taken into account at all. Why care about lining his pockets

Business isn’t about being right, it’s about winning 

[SilentBob]

2 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

Fair enough. But folk were flocking to back “Howard’s boys” way before a lot of that tangible stuff was known

I’m going to remain on the fence until more is known

That's the problem I was having the past couple of days. A lot of questions being asked seem to get a bit of a meh response as if he thought he was being challenged (I understand it must be annoying to be questioned 24/7 though). I think people just want more info on any potential owners, not exclusive to only Howard's buyers, but Bassini, Gaspard etc. We all want to know why they're interested and who is involved. 

Edited April 3, 2019 by SilentBob

[nantwichwhite]

1 minute ago, jules_darby said:

Fair enough. But folk were flocking to back “Howard’s boys” way before a lot of that tangible stuff was known

I’m going to remain on the fence until more is known

But Howard is a snow plough, he is clearing the way