Meanwhile in Israel

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

And killing tens of thousands in the process 

Collateral damage 

The plan was never to kill them

Something like 6 million Palestinians in Palestine. Circa 60k have been killed in 2 years. Israel are pretty shit at “killing all Palestinians” aren’t they. 

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Didn’t need to answer your question I was responding to your statement. Not a scoobies what’s wrong with that.

 Nah it’s not silly. It’s naive to suggest otherwise 

I didn’t say Israel - I said the current extremists running Israel & the Settlers.

 They are equally as barbaric as Hamas. And have taken more lives, hostages & land than Hamas have.

As others have pointed out, any extremist doctrine spouted by Hamas can be matched by extremists in Israel 👍

Before you went on your tangent I pointed out many Palestinians in power have said they want to wipe Israel and kill all Jews.

So far one Israeli has been found on here who said something similar but was quickly shut down by the PM. 
 

They’re not the same 

Edited September 11, 2025 by royal white

[Zico]

Just now, royal white said:

Something like 6 million Palestinians in Palestine. Circa 60k have been killed in 2 years. Israel are pretty shit at “killing all Palestinians” aren’t they. 

I'd say they're quite adept 

Would be good to know how many of the 6m still have a house they can go back to when Hamas are finally removed 

 

[London Wanderer]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

What would you think the outcome of voting in terrorists would be? 
 

Oh dear. 

Bit of an odd tangent 

Just pointing out that if you haven’t held an election in two decades. It’s not democratic anymore.

 Do you disagree? 

[royal white]

Just now, London Wanderer said:

Bit of an odd tangent 

Just pointing out that if you haven’t held an election in two decades. It’s not democratic anymore.

 Do you disagree? 

Life isn’t going to be simple if you vote terrorists. Reap what you sow 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

TMJ forgetting to do his homework 

Bit of a habit of late

’a nice trustworthy military chap’ 😂

rather a direct fundraiser for the IDF

For fucks sake, some daft comments again.

I did say I hadn't seen it at the time.

I also said I was more interested because of its title.

Ive stated before that I don't overly bother with videos of the conflict as they're generally one sided, and suggested this one may be too.

Quite open about it, yet you once again leap in, without due consideration of the written word.

This is an opportunity for me, you and anyone to do their homework. 

I would surmise you haven't watched it since, but I have.

For me, this was interesting because it wasn't purely a commentary on the war, in fact far from it.

It was a commentary about how our government and military are connected both currently and historically.

Also a wider discussion about our nation.

The bloke has worked for numerous governments, including for Blair and Brown- who he compliments- and laid out his experience and knowledge gained from numerous conflicts.

Whether he has subsequently raised money for the IDF I've no idea- it is his business- but if he has, then that will be as a result of his experiences, won't it.

Unless you are now saying that such beliefs aren't valid because they're different from your own, despite his knowledge. 

 

[London Wanderer]

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

Life isn’t going to be simple if you vote terrorists. Reap what you sow 

You’ve missed the point. Do you think it’s democratic not to hold elections in two decades? 

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

Before you went on your tangent I pointed out many Palestinians in power have said they want to wipe Israel and kill all Jews.

So far one Israeli has been found on here who said something similar but was quickly shut down by the PM. 
 

They’re not the same 

I’ll try & keep this to simple maths if that works for you.

How much land have extremists in Israel taken compared to Hamas? 

 

How many innocent lives lost & hostages taken at the hands of Israel compared to Hamas ? 
 

Do the maths & tell me they’re not as bad as each other.

The Settlers in Theroux’s doc openly talk about wiping out Palestinians & taking the land. It has been proven beyond doubt that they are supported by the government.

 You just constantly look daft ignoring the extremists in Israel. It’s there for all to see 

[Bertie]

13 minutes ago, royal white said:

Something like 6 million Palestinians in Palestine. Circa 60k have been killed in 2 years. Israel are pretty shit at “killing all Palestinians” aren’t they. 

They’re doing a better job than Hamas then? - only 1200 Israelis murdered out of 10 million on 7/10.

Oh, and don’t take my comment out of the ironic context intended.  All civilian deaths on both sides are abhorrent.

[royal white]

9 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

You’ve missed the point. Do you think it’s democratic not to hold elections in two decades? 

I’ll try & keep this to simple maths if that works for you.

How much land have extremists in Israel taken compared to Hamas? 

 

How many innocent lives lost & hostages taken at the hands of Israel compared to Hamas ? 
 

Do the maths & tell me they’re not as bad as each other.

The Settlers in Theroux’s doc openly talk about wiping out Palestinians & taking the land. It has been proven beyond doubt that they are supported by the government.

 You just constantly look daft ignoring the extremists in Israel. It’s there for all to see 

Annnnnd off you go again.

Sweep made a statement that I  think is incorrect. (It is ) I then compared that to what some High ranking Palestinians have said. It’s got fuck all to do with Therousxs documentary or land. 
 

Stop going off on mad uns and try and read what we are talking about. It’s everyday now you just make up you’re own debate midway through another 

Edited September 11, 2025 by royal white

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

For fucks sake, some daft comments again.

I did say I hadn't seen it at the time.

I also said I was more interested because of its title.

Ive stated before that I don't overly bother with videos of the conflict as they're generally one sided, and suggested this one may be too.

Quite open about it, yet you once again leap in, without due consideration of the written word.

This is an opportunity for me, you and anyone to do their homework. 

I would surmise you haven't watched it since, but I have.

For me, this was interesting because it wasn't purely a commentary on the war, in fact far from it.

It was a commentary about how our government and military are connected both currently and historically.

Also a wider discussion about our nation.

The bloke has worked for numerous governments, including for Blair and Brown- who he compliments- and laid out his experience and knowledge gained from numerous conflicts.

Whether he has subsequently raised money for the IDF I've no idea- it is his business- but if he has, then that will be as a result of his experiences, won't it.

Unless you are now saying that such beliefs aren't valid because they're different from your own, despite his knowledge. 

 

Nothing wrong with finding it interesting. I did too 👍

I’m not saying his beliefs aren’t valid because of his proven association with the IDF.

 I’m saying you’ve got two pro IDF gentleman sitting in a room, giving a very one sided opinion of the conflict. Whilst also quite clearly defending war crimes & advocating for Palestine not to exist as a state.

For you to say ‘he’s a military chap, so I’d hope it would truthful’ was rather an odd thing to say. Especially as it’s full of mistruths & heavily biased.

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Bertie said:

They’re doing a better job than Hamas then? - only 1200 Israelis murdered out of 10 million on 7/10.

Oh, and don’t take my comment out of the ironic context intended.  All civilian deaths on both sides are abhorrent.

No shit Batman. A rag tag army against one of the most advanced armies in the world. 
 

Basically Palestine are Doing shit at their task aren’t they. 

[wanderer1984]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

 The question was “have those is power said that’s their plan” in response to sweep saying they (Israel) want to kill every Palestinian. So no you didn’t answer the question. As for the last paragraph stating Hamas haven’t said anything that Israel havent said is…..well it’s just silly isn’t it. 

So far about 70,000 of Palestinians that lived in either West Bank, Gaza or Israel have been killed since Oct 7th.

70,000 out of 6,900,000. So about 1% in 23 months of war against one of most sophisticated and advanced military in the world.

If they wanted to kill all ... think they'd have done it by now.

It's not a ethnic cleansing ... its not genocide 

1% in 23 months

 

 

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

So far about 70,000 of Palestinians that lived in either West Bank, Gaza or Israel have been killed since Oct 7th.

70,000 out of 6,900,000. So about 1% in 23 months of war against one of most sophisticated and advanced military in the world.

If they wanted to kill all ... think they'd have done it by now.

It's not a ethnic cleansing ... its not genocide 

1% in 23 months

 

 

Yes but but but a BBC documentary 😵‍💫

[London Wanderer]

12 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

So far about 70,000 of Palestinians that lived in either West Bank, Gaza or Israel have been killed since Oct 7th.

70,000 out of 6,900,000. So about 1% in 23 months of war against one of most sophisticated and advanced military in the world.

If they wanted to kill all ... think they'd have done it by now.

It's not a ethnic cleansing ... its not genocide 

1% in 23 months

 

 

“Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area”

Can you honestly look at what the Israeli government & settlers are doing in the West Bank & argue it isn’t? 
 

Ethic cleansing doesn’t mean they are being killed. Even though many are. 

The forced removal of Palestinians at the hands of Israeli extremists and their government is clear as day. These settlements are illegal by international law and our government have sanctions on the people doing it.

 How is it not ethnic cleansing ? 

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Yes but but but a BBC documentary 😵‍💫

The atrocities & war crimes committed by the Settlers are documented all over the place. Choose your source

Are you arguing it’s not happening because the BBC did a documentary? 

17 minutes ago, royal white said:

Annnnnd off you go again.

Sweep made a statement that I  think is incorrect. (It is ) I then compared that to what some High ranking Palestinians have said. It’s got fuck all to do with Therousxs documentary or land. 
 

Stop going off on mad uns and try and read what we are talking about. It’s everyday now you just make up you’re own debate midway through another 

Tangent 

 I’m responding directly to your posts

 you said they weren’t the same

 I argued they were actually as bad as each other.

 How is that a tangent ? 😂

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

The atrocities & war crimes committed by the Settlers are documented all over the place. Choose your source

Are you arguing it’s not happening because the BBC did a documentary? 

Tangent 

 I’m responding directly to your posts

 you said they weren’t the same

 I argued they were actually as bad as each other.

 How is that a tangent ? 😂

The argument was one want to kill all full race why the other doesn’t. Had fuck all to do with people being moved out of their house 

[Zico]

30 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

If they wanted to kill all ... think they'd have done it by now.

how? 

 

and it is ethnic cleansing by it's very defintion 

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous.

as confirmed by BN himself

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8ryekj1m1do

 

and let's not justify anything by percentages

60k is 60k

it's not 1%

I'm sure Hamas have killed less than 1% of Jews

but that 1,200 on October were actual people

 

still, if it's all about the relative death toll, go for it

 

 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

how? 

 

and it is ethnic cleansing by it's very defintion 

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous.

as confirmed by BN himself

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8ryekj1m1do

 

and let's not justify anything by percentages

60k is 60k

it's not 1%

I'm sure Hamas have killed less than 1% of Jews

but that 1,200 on October were actual people

 

still, if it's all about the death toll, go for it

 

 

Is 60k to many? 

[wanderer1984]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Yes but but but a BBC documentary 😵‍💫

Wasn't that about other issues before Oct 7th? Not seen it.

But I'm sure many palestinians have had it tough through no fault of their own.

What ever people think of me on here I do have sympathy for those.

1% though ... That's piss poor from a top military country trying to eradicate a little settlement.

Which makes me think that maybe they're not trying to do that. 

 

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, Zico said:

how? 

 

and it is ethnic cleansing by it's very defintion 

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous.

as confirmed by BN himself

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8ryekj1m1do

 

and let's not justify anything by percentages

60k is 60k

it's not 1%

I'm sure Hamas have killed less than 1% of Jews

but that 1,200 on October were actual people

 

still, if it's all about the relative death toll, go for it

 

 

Gaza city being one of the last major strong points for Hamas it’s sounds quite a good idea 

 

The plan lists five objectives: disarming Hamas, returning all hostages, demilitarising the Gaza Strip, taking security control of the territory, and establishing "an alternative civil administration that is neither Hamas nor the Palestinian Authority".

"The IDF [Israel Defense Forces] will prepare to take control of Gaza City while providing humanitarian aid to the civilian population outside the combat zones," Israel's military said.

 

Sounds similar to how the yanks and us took over large cities in Iraq.
 

How would you do it? 

[wanderer1984]

9 minutes ago, Zico said:

it's not 1%

What is it then? 

 

10 minutes ago, Zico said:

how? 

No notice given ... No aid given and none stop 24/7 boming ... be over in a week

Israel are capable to do that but have chosen not to.

13 minutes ago, Zico said:

still, if it's all about the relative death toll, go for it

Isn't that where the discussion went? Wiping out all palestinians?

I don't think that's happening. Do you?

 

[London Wanderer]

31 minutes ago, Zico said:

how? 

 

and it is ethnic cleansing by it's very defintion 

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous.

as confirmed by BN himself

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8ryekj1m1do

 

and let's not justify anything by percentages

60k is 60k

it's not 1%

I'm sure Hamas have killed less than 1% of Jews

but that 1,200 on October were actual people

 

still, if it's all about the relative death toll, go for it

 

 

He’s had a mare on the ethnic cleansing definition.

 Interesting he’s ignored the question.

I’d genuinely like to see a proper argument that the actions of government & settlers in the West Bank don’t meet the criteria for that definition.

 Any takers?

https://news.sky.com/video/armed-settlers-and-segregation-inside-the-west-bank-13410336

 

 

Edited September 11, 2025 by London Wanderer

[Bertie]

58 minutes ago, royal white said:

No shit Batman. A rag tag army against one of the most advanced armies in the world. 
 

Basically Palestine are Doing shit at their task aren’t they. 

I’ll leave you to argue the toss with others tonight, going round in circles, but on the above I’m staggered that you seem loud and proud that the IDF are better at killing Palestinian civilians than Hamas are at killing Israelis civilians. Wow. That’s a pretty low bar. Shocking.

We’ll never agree and you’ll never see that both are equally wrong.

[royal white]

Just now, Bertie said:

I’ll leave you to argue the toss with others tonight, going round in circles, but on the above I’m staggered that you seem loud and proud that the IDF are better at killing Palestinian civilians than Hamas are at killing Israelis civilians. Wow. That’s a pretty low bar. Shocking.

We’ll never agree and you’ll never see that both are equally wrong.

What the fuck 😂Is that what you’ve managed to take from it. What is it with you and London and reading? 

[London Wanderer]

52 minutes ago, royal white said:

The argument was one want to kill all full race why the other doesn’t. Had fuck all to do with people being moved out of their house 

Hamas say some vile rhetoric about Jews that dehumanise them. And they act on it

Extremists across Israel say equally vile rhetoric about Arabs. And act on it.

Find me anything Hamas have said.& you can find something equally abhorrent from extremists in Israel.

 

 It’s not hard to find. Extremist settlers regularly talk about wiping out filthy Arabs and dehumanise them. They are funded by the government & actively supported by the IDF. Who fwiw used to protect these Palestinian communities.

 They are regularly beaten, even murdered & have their entire livelihood & community destroyed until there is no choice but to leave. It’s not ‘moving house’. 

 they are being wiped out. 

Edited September 11, 2025 by London Wanderer