Is it kicking off big time or is this just everyday stuff they deal with or a bit of both?

 

5 hours ago, royal white said:

So you’ve no idea 😂 I thought as much. 🤡

Wrong again bud 🥰

 I’m not wasting time searching for every single post you’ve shared from the IDF, COGAT & the GHF.

If you care to show me them. I’ll happily tell you which ones were propaganda.

If not, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

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33 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Wrong again bud 🥰

 I’m not wasting time searching for every single post you’ve shared from the IDF, COGAT & the GHF.

If you care to show me them. I’ll happily tell you which ones were propaganda.

If not, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

There’s a search button like you said. You’ve also said I’ve posted their lie after lie surely it should be easy to find? I mean it wasn’t hard for me to find yours was it 🤷🏻

 

8 hours ago, royal white said:

There’s a search button like you said. You’ve also said I’ve posted their lie after lie surely it should be easy to find? I mean it wasn’t hard for me to find yours was it 🤷🏻

 

Have you not posted from the Israeli sources I’m talking about? Not sure what’s inaccurate about me saying that ?

Searching doesn’t bring it up if it’s a direct tweet with the organisations name in the link. So why the would I waste time scrolling through endless pages. I have absolutely no interest in bringing up random ones & proving a point. Especially as you’re not denying sharing their updates.

  If you want to show me a random selection, then we can discuss if it’s propaganda or if it isn’t. 
 

If you don’t, then that’s grand 😄 we can stop boring the shit out of everyone. 
 

I don’t trust Hamas sources. Not sure why you think groups like COGAT always tell the truth. A very odd standpoint. 

 

I see Bliar attended the White House meeting discussing the post war prospects for Gaza. I know his history so can see the evidence of his familiarity with the region. Still astounds me that he has any sort of accepted public persona. A rat if ever there was one. He was instrumental in bringing significant death and destruction to the region and the birth of repulsive entities like ISIS with his lies.

It will be over soon and Trump knows it. The final play coming when Gaza City is cleared of murderous fanatics and what is left of the hostages are (hopefully) finally freed.

4 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Have you not posted from the Israeli sources I’m talking about? Not sure what’s inaccurate about me saying that ?

Searching doesn’t bring it up if it’s a direct tweet with the organisations name in the link. So why the would I waste time scrolling through endless pages. I have absolutely no interest in bringing up random ones & proving a point. Especially as you’re not denying sharing their updates.

  If you want to show me a random selection, then we can discuss if it’s propaganda or if it isn’t. 
 

If you don’t, then that’s grand 😄 we can stop boring the shit out of everyone. 
 

I don’t trust Hamas sources. Not sure why you think groups like COGAT always tell the truth. A very odd standpoint. 

 

Only when it suits your narrative. Very odd. 

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

I see Bliar attended the White House meeting discussing the post war prospects for Gaza. I know his history so can see the evidence of his familiarity with the region. Still astounds me that he has any sort of accepted public persona. A rat if ever there was one. He was instrumental in bringing significant death and destruction to the region and the birth of repulsive entities like ISIS with his lies.

It will be over soon and Trump knows it. The final play coming when Gaza City is cleared of murderous fanatics and what is left of the hostages are (hopefully) finally freed.

You are so naive and gullible if you think the IDF will stop after flattening Gaza City.  Mind you, you don’t care about (Palestinian) civilians do you.

5 hours ago, royal white said:

Only when it suits your narrative. Very odd. 

What you on about now? 
 

Israeli is currently being run by one of its most extremist governments in history. Just look at their support for new & expanding settlements.

It’s hardly surprising that these organisations are going to spread propaganda & distract from the truth of this war. Their statements are regularly contradicted by NGOs, witnesses & the reports of international organisations.

 That doesn’t mean everything they say is a lie. But Christ, claiming groups like COGAT always tell the truth is some next level naivety. 
 

My ‘narrative’ is just based on the evidence out there. I support Israel’s right to self defence & to exist. I also support Palestines right to sovereignty & to exist in their homeland. I don’t support the extremist tactics of terror groups like Hamas. But I don’t see the extremists currently running Israel as any better. Their denial of Palestinian sovereignty & their continued land grabs amount to ethnic cleansing. This war clearly has an agenda for further occupation & the denial of Palestine’s right to exist. 

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2 hours ago, Bertie said:

You are so naive and gullible if you think the IDF will stop after flattening Gaza City.  Mind you, you don’t care about (Palestinian) civilians do you.

(Do) you think the IDF will stop after flattening Gaza City?

Do you think Putin will stop after flattening the Donbas?

Europe and the US appear to vilify one land grabbing villainous state but support the other.

We're all party to mass hypocrisy in my opinion

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

(Do) you think the IDF will stop after flattening Gaza City?

Do you think Putin will stop after flattening the Donbas?

Europe and the US appear to vilify one land grabbing villainous state but support the other.

We're all party to mass hypocrisy in my opinion

No and no would be my answers.

I wouldn’t say “we”, but sadly I think you’re right wrt our current governments. “Doing the right thing” seems to get lost in the fog of politics, but I suppose it always has.

The IDF actions in Gaza imho are equally abhorrent to those of Russia's in Ukraine (just for clarity as were Hamas’ on 7/10 in Israel).

I wish we would stop selling offensive weapons to Israel atm given the civilian genocide they’re committing.  As per the protests in Israel of late, if it was purely about hostage rescue they would not be doing what they’re doing.

2 hours ago, Dimron said:

(Do) you think the IDF will stop after flattening Gaza City?

Do you think Putin will stop after flattening the Donbas?

Europe and the US appear to vilify one land grabbing villainous state but support the other.

We're all party to mass hypocrisy in my opinion

I have Bertie on ignore for a reason. He doesn't seem able to grasp this.

Like his fellow apologists, he likes to accuse folk of stuff - basically screeching 'racist' in another form.

I shouldn't really respond to the plant pot but will say this. I am on the side seeking to destroy evil Islamist murderous fanatics and freeing hostages. The sooner it is over (and it is imminent) the better for all concerned - including 'Palestinian civilians'. For a start, they would no longer be used as human shields or profit generators from over priced stolen food aid.

All very clear and concise.

30 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

I have Bertie on ignore for a reason. He doesn't seem able to grasp this.

Like his fellow apologists, he likes to accuse folk of stuff - basically screeching 'racist' in another form.

I shouldn't really respond to the plant pot but will say this. I am on the side seeking to destroy evil Islamist murderous fanatics and freeing hostages. The sooner it is over (and it is imminent) the better for all concerned - including 'Palestinian civilians'. For a start, they would no longer be used as human shields or profit generators from over priced stolen food aid.

All very clear and concise.

Cheers for the indirect response (honestly), and I genuinely dont mind being called a plant pot - there’s been much worse.

We are 100% on the same page with your text in bold.  As we both know though we’re 100% not in regard to the ways and means the IDF are going about doing this.

Neither of us will change our minds, which is fair enough, so history will have to judge the outcome.

1 hour ago, Bertie said:

No and no would be my answers.

I wouldn’t say “we”, but sadly I think you’re right wrt our current governments. “Doing the right thing” seems to get lost in the fog of politics, but I suppose it always has.

The IDF actions in Gaza imho are equally abhorrent to those of Russia's in Ukraine (just for clarity as were Hamas’ on 7/10 in Israel).

I wish we would stop selling offensive weapons to Israel atm given the civilian genocide they’re committing.  As per the protests in Israel of late, if it was purely about hostage rescue they would not be doing what they’re doing.

Queen Ursula is currently "telling" Putin to come to the negotiating table, what about Netanyahu?

13 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Queen Ursula is currently "telling" Putin to come to the negotiating table, what about Netanyahu?

Exactly. She should have been doing…..many many months ago.

9 minutes ago, Bertie said:

Exactly. She should have been doing…..many many months ago.

Personal agenda here... starting off her politics in Saxony she will be anti-Russian (previous USSR occupation and all that) but as a Dutch/German will tippy toe around the Jewish issue... Putin's a twat but poor Netanyahu is misunderstood.

Netanyahu's government is without doubt genocidal and is probably more guilty of more crimes against humanity than Russia, both land grabbing war mongers

8 hours ago, Dimron said:

Personal agenda here... starting off her politics in Saxony she will be anti-Russian (previous USSR occupation and all that) but as a Dutch/German will tippy toe around the Jewish issue... Putin's a twat but poor Netanyahu is misunderstood.

Netanyahu's government is without doubt genocidal and is probably more guilty of more crimes against humanity than Russia, both land grabbing war mongers

Nah. He's taking measures to prevent more crimes against humanity. Crimes like October 7th.

Is Bolty still here, spinning these lines?

Tiresome.

11 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Nah. He's taking measures to prevent more crimes against humanity. Crimes like October 7th.

I think things have moved on over the last two years mate.

If we do want to ponder the circumstances no one has ever been able to explain to me how one of the the world's greatest intelligence networks allowed October 7th to happen 

21 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I think things have moved on over the last two years mate.

If we do want to ponder the circumstances no one has ever been able to explain to me how one of the the world's greatest intelligence networks allowed October 7th to happen 

I've no doubt they knew about it, and wanted it to happen, as it's allowed them to do what they're currently doing. Pretty much the same way I suspect that the US Government knew 9/11 would happen. 

Government, of any country, I'm sure are happy for just a few hundred/thousand of their civilians to die, if it allows them to "gain" in the long term. It's probably always been the case, sacrifice a few, for long term gain

Cynics. There will always be cynics.

"Pager for Mr. Hezbollah!"

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

I've no doubt they knew about it, and wanted it to happen, as it's allowed them to do what they're currently doing. Pretty much the same way I suspect that the US Government knew 9/11 would happen. 

Government, of any country, I'm sure are happy for just a few hundred/thousand of their civilians to die, if it allows them to "gain" in the long term. It's probably always been the case, sacrifice a few, for long term gain

Pile up the bodies 

1 hour ago, tomski said:

Pile up the bodies 

we need to move on........

Or, the old classic

 

Wait for the enquiry

7 hours ago, Sweep said:

I've no doubt they knew about it, and wanted it to happen, as it's allowed them to do what they're currently doing. Pretty much the same way I suspect that the US Government knew 9/11 would happen. 

Government, of any country, I'm sure are happy for just a few hundred/thousand of their civilians to die, if it allows them to "gain" in the long term. It's probably always been the case, sacrifice a few, for long term gain

They probably didn't expect such an effective attack and such high casualties

Can someone explain how this is any different to taking hostages ?

 And they’ve been at it much longer than Hamas have. Barbaric.

Only one in four detainees from Gaza are identified as fighters by Israel’s military intelligence, classified data indicates, with civilians making up the vast majority of Palestinians held without charge or trial in abusive prisons.

Those jailed for long periods without charge or trial include medical workers, teachers, civil servants, media workers, writers, sick and disabled people and children.

Among the most egregious cases are those of an 82-year-old woman with Alzheimer’s jailed for six weeks and of a single mother separated from her young children. When the mother was released after 53 days she found the children begging on the streets.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/04/israeli-military-database-indicates-only-a-quarter-of-gaza-detainees-are-fighters

16 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Can someone explain how this is any different to taking hostages ?

 And they’ve been at it much longer than Hamas have. Barbaric.

Only one in four detainees from Gaza are identified as fighters by Israel’s military intelligence, classified data indicates, with civilians making up the vast majority of Palestinians held without charge or trial in abusive prisons.

Those jailed for long periods without charge or trial include medical workers, teachers, civil servants, media workers, writers, sick and disabled people and children.

Among the most egregious cases are those of an 82-year-old woman with Alzheimer’s jailed for six weeks and of a single mother separated from her young children. When the mother was released after 53 days she found the children begging on the streets.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/04/israeli-military-database-indicates-only-a-quarter-of-gaza-detainees-are-fighters

 

 

 

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