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They jumped on a train to Bolton within an hour of arrival, to work in the back of a Kebab shop. Nobody is looking for them as they're simply a tourist until their Visa expires.

Ok then, lets say they get a legitimate flight here on a tourist visa (as per Gonzo's question), then burn all their documents and eat the ashes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz0e23r0993o

If you know exactly which bin to look in and the contents haven't already been sent to landfill, yes.

You've had your time mate. Let it go. Let the kids do whatever the fuck they choose to do with their lives.

Maybe you just made up that anecdote to fit your narrative? And even if it's true, it's still an anecdote - from the point of view of someone who has already decided that people who go to University are below them for some reason.

Could they not just dump them in a bin after they've landed, like they throw their documents in the sea when they reach Dover in a dinghy?

I suspect "our days" are decades apart. I also suspect the younger generation don't give a fuck what you think about them "wasting 5 years in further education". Let them crack on and live their lives and make mistakes, like we all did. I'll never understand why older folk want to control what the next generation do with their lives. It just comes across as extreme bitterness. Especially when they want to restrict younger folk from having the same opportunities they had. Very odd.

Who has said we "need 50% of kids getting degrees"? Why did you get a degree? Why are you so against young uns getting the opportunities you got?

I didn't go to Uni - or even college - even though that should have been my natural route, and it would've been free. I got an Apprenticeship straight from school. I wouldn't call anyone a numb fucker unless they're a numb fucker.

Why do you think they don't just do that then?

What's that anecdotal shite got to do with anything? Maybe if they'd had the chance, they would have been even better off now? Maybe they wouldn't have even wanted to go, but at least the option would have been there. I find it very odd that you think today's kids should have less options than you did in your youth.

Literally nobody is "forcing kids into degree courses". What planet are you living on?

You have to qualify by getting the grades nowadays... This is just typical middle-aged/old person shite. "It was harder back in my day....kids today don't know they're born....etc.". Tedious, thick, boring, and simply wrong.

I feel sorry for them, and think they should have got that chance.

The Government don't fund it - unlike they did when you went to Uni.

What did you study?

Bit of a contradiction there. What if 50% of kids want to go to Uni and get a degree? As for the old folk who only draw a state pension - it is their fault. They should have worked harder, and thought ahead.

"Stop devaluing degrees" says someone who went to Uni for free, and is now bemoaning a younger generation of kids reaching for the same goal whilst paying through the nose for it.

Yes, let's put women and children in the most inhospitable environment available to us, just to show how much we value compassion and civilisation in Britain. I'm sure it's pure coincidence that the women and children you would relish being subjected to that are brown and probably Muslim.

Exactly. Enjoy the next 3 years of relative domestic sanity, because it's going to be fucking nuts when Farage is PM.

The public gets what the public wants.

Excellent news.

OK Computer was yet to come. What a time to expand my horizons.

Don't think I actively listened to anything except The Beatles, Wings, and occasionally Pink Floyd, until I was about 15. 😂 Obviously I heard songs on the radio and stuff, but it was all just background shite that I took no notice of. Then my mate put 'The Bends' on when I was at his house getting ready to go out for some juvenile street drinking, and I got the same feeling I'd had when listening to a Beatles album for the first time. Then the same happened with Joy Division - and shit loads of other bands, although not quite to the same degree. They'll always be the trifecta for me - Beatles, Radiohead, Joy Division, but not necessarily in any particular order.