no balls Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 I try but then sometimes I read the dirge it writes and I just can't help myself. My immaturity gets the better of me. I have learnt to concede when I'm wrong nowadays, a trait it could possibly try out for size! I thought it was only me. When the urge comes to respond to 'it', say in your head ten times 'sex change ops are a crime against nature'. Works for me. Wise words Bolty. Cheers! Maybe if I click my heels in a Dorothy stylee it'll go away!
tyldesley_white Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 I try but then sometimes I read the dirge it writes and I just can't help myself. My immaturity gets the better of me. I have learnt to concede when I'm wrong nowadays, a trait it could possibly try out for size! I thought it was only me. When the urge comes to respond to 'it', say in your head ten times 'sex change ops are a crime against nature'. Works for me. Wise words Bolty. Cheers! Maybe if I click my heels in a Dorothy stylee it'll go away! If only it was so easy
no balls Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Wise words Bolty. Cheers! Maybe if I click my heels in a Dorothy stylee it'll go away! If only it was so easy I have some sequined red shoes, it's worth a go surely! At the moment I reckon I'd even have a crack at voodoo!
Guest Natasha Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 This is a brilliant thread if you read it back in full. For the record, I am basing my opinion 100% on his footballing ability ??? the fact he attracted other big name players to the club is not in dispute. But it???s amazing how many people can remember the good game Okocha played at White Hart Lane a few seasons back ??? the reason you all remember this is because it was the only good game he had in 4 years!! Granted in many games he contributed, but this was his only world-class 90 minute performance. Can you remember every inspirational game McGinlay or Gudni had? Of course you can???t because there were so many. Legend my arse. p.s. To the person trying to justify Okocha???s legend status by the fact he attends Junior Whites meetings ??? fantastic post, made me laugh out loud it did.
Traf Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 What i find worrying is that last year we had three players who could pass a ball - Jay Jay, Bruno and Campo. Now we are down to one. By Bruno being a good passer, I presume you're talking about the lofted lobs forward towards Davies' general position. A very good defender Bruno was/is, but he's never, ever been a good distributor. I'm with you on this one. To be honest, i got very p??ssed off with that chip into the box everytime we had a free kick taken by Bruno. His passing was better than that in previous seasons, so I can only assume he was following orders.
Ani Posted July 19, 2006 Author Posted July 19, 2006 What i find worrying is that last year we had three players who could pass a ball - Jay Jay, Bruno and Campo. Now we are down to one. By Bruno being a good passer, I presume you're talking about the lofted lobs forward towards Davies' general position. A very good defender Bruno was/is, but he's never, ever been a good distributor. I'm with you on this one. To be honest, i got very p??ssed off with that chip into the box everytime we had a free kick taken by Bruno. His passing was better than that in previous seasons, so I can only assume he was following orders. sadly for me i will remember Bruno as much as anything else for giving the ball away with one of his accurate paasses just before half time in marseille. he was a superb player but that will be my over-riding memory of him.
Guest crazytrain Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Well this has been a fun topic hasn't it. Just to chip in my thoughts, mostly echoing the positive ones before. Jay Jay did NOT only have one great game for us there were many - Arsenal and Man Ure at home, Villa in the Carling cup, West Ham (where he had an all round good game in addition to the wonder goal). There are countless more I honestly cannot be bothered to list them. I accept he had some stinkers too, but all great players do - do you think Arsenal fans consider Henry to be a legend? I do and I can't stand the Gooners, but look what happend in the Champions League final (and the world cup on the whole). Legends have bad games too. How many games do you think Henry has had like the one Jay Jay had at Spurs away? Not many. Yes we remember it as a stand-out game because it was his best ever performance in a white shirt, but he had plenty of other great performances too. Great (or legendary if you want to use that term) players have the ability to change the course of a game, the ability to turn things on their head and produce a moment of brilliance. It doesn't necessarily have to lead to a goal, it can just be something that lifts the fans, which in turn lifts the team. Jay Jay could do that and he did it far more often than some people (or person) on here give him credit for. "Legendary" players can attract better quality - again to use the Henry example, who wouldn't want to play in a team with him? I'm sorry but you just cannot ignore that fact when deciding how legendary Jay Jay was or not. Youri would fall in to that class too, although for the record (and I may upset a few people on here by saying this) I think his consistency was sometimes lacking too. He often got isolated out wide and contributed very little. Yes, again he had the ability to turn games around, and yes he was a legend too. But how many people remember the 2 absolute sitters he missed in the Carling final? Two one-on-ones with the keeper and he hit them straight at him both times. If that had been poor Henrik he'd have never got out of Cardiff alive! Again, for the record, Jay Jay made a huge contribution in that game too with his overall workrate and commitment - remember him chasing down a couple of Boro break aways when we were chasing the game late on? He didn't help us to win (obviously!) but he sure helped to keep it respectable. I guess what I'm trying to say is all players have their good and bad moments, but being a true legend is more than just scoring goals. Kevin Davies anybody? I'd class him as a legend too, but it sure isn't for his goalscoring ability. Oh, and also for the record, I think one of the greatest players ever seen at the Reebok was Hierro. We may not have seen his best and we didn't see as much as certainly I would have liked but he was pure class (when he got fit and into his stride). I personally cannot think of a better passer of the ball that I've seen (and surely you were joking when you said Bruno was good at passing??!!). Again though, yes he had some poor games, but it was his all round ability and "presence" that helped us. This has been a long ramble, for which I apologise (I don't post much but when I do...). So to finish, ask yourself these questions: How do you think Kevin Nolan felt about playing alongside Jay Jay and Hierro (and Youri for that matter)? Do you think they helped to raise his ability and confidence? Do you think he'd have been as good without them? Again for the record, I would answer "utterly amazed", "absolutely yes" and "absolutely no" respectively. So who are the legends? Oh and thanks for the video clips - they brought a smile to my face on an otherwise crap day. You cannot discount Jay Jay. He was and is a BWFC legend. Fact. End of rant.
no balls Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Blimey Crazy....did you breath whilst typing that?
Guest crazytrain Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 I read the whole thread through and just couldn't believe some of the comments so was pretty wound up. I'm breathing much more deeply and calmly now, thankyou for asking... Got to start taking those pills again...
Ani Posted July 19, 2006 Author Posted July 19, 2006 Well this has been a fun topic hasn't it. Just to chip in my thoughts, mostly echoing the positive ones before. Jay Jay did NOT only have one great game for us there were many - Arsenal and Man Ure at home, Villa in the Carling cup, West Ham (where he had an all round good game in addition to the wonder goal). There are countless more I honestly cannot be bothered to list them. I accept he had some stinkers too, but all great players do - do you think Arsenal fans consider Henry to be a legend? I do and I can't stand the Gooners, but look what happend in the Champions League final (and the world cup on the whole). Legends have bad games too. How many games do you think Henry has had like the one Jay Jay had at Spurs away? Not many. Yes we remember it as a stand-out game because it was his best ever performance in a white shirt, but he had plenty of other great performances too. Great (or legendary if you want to use that term) players have the ability to change the course of a game, the ability to turn things on their head and produce a moment of brilliance. It doesn't necessarily have to lead to a goal, it can just be something that lifts the fans, which in turn lifts the team. Jay Jay could do that and he did it far more often than some people (or person) on here give him credit for. "Legendary" players can attract better quality - again to use the Henry example, who wouldn't want to play in a team with him? I'm sorry but you just cannot ignore that fact when deciding how legendary Jay Jay was or not. Youri would fall in to that class too, although for the record (and I may upset a few people on here by saying this) I think his consistency was sometimes lacking too. He often got isolated out wide and contributed very little. Yes, again he had the ability to turn games around, and yes he was a legend too. But how many people remember the 2 absolute sitters he missed in the Carling final? Two one-on-ones with the keeper and he hit them straight at him both times. If that had been poor Henrik he'd have never got out of Cardiff alive! Again, for the record, Jay Jay made a huge contribution in that game too with his overall workrate and commitment - remember him chasing down a couple of Boro break aways when we were chasing the game late on? He didn't help us to win (obviously!) but he sure helped to keep it respectable. I guess what I'm trying to say is all players have their good and bad moments, but being a true legend is more than just scoring goals. Kevin Davies anybody? I'd class him as a legend too, but it sure isn't for his goalscoring ability. Oh, and also for the record, I think one of the greatest players ever seen at the Reebok was Hierro. We may not have seen his best and we didn't see as much as certainly I would have liked but he was pure class (when he got fit and into his stride). I personally cannot think of a better passer of the ball that I've seen (and surely you were joking when you said Bruno was good at passing??!!). Again though, yes he had some poor games, but it was his all round ability and "presence" that helped us. This has been a long ramble, for which I apologise (I don't post much but when I do...). So to finish, ask yourself these questions: How do you think Kevin Nolan felt about playing alongside Jay Jay and Hierro (and Youri for that matter)? Do you think they helped to raise his ability and confidence? Do you think he'd have been as good without them? Again for the record, I would answer "utterly amazed", "absolutely yes" and "absolutely no" respectively. So who are the legends? Oh and thanks for the video clips - they brought a smile to my face on an otherwise crap day. You cannot discount Jay Jay. He was and is a BWFC legend. Fact. End of rant. who the fcuk do yu think you are ? where do you think you are ? logical thought out arguements have no place on 'Natasha' threads. JAY-JAY legend FACT. He is one of the few players i can think of that make you smile when you think about how good he was. Which after decades of smiling when you think about how bad players were is a much better place to be !!
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