red ginger - red ginger?

 

How amusing!

interesting developments now

 

ssn report that joorabchian reckons he's got info to blow west ham out of the water, and he's going to give it to sheff utd

 

one things for sure, the truths coming out

I cannot understand though how the Mascherano deal went through?

They were both brought over on the same deal so if he could sign for the scousers why can tevez not go to the scum?

I cannot understand though how the Mascherano deal went through?

They were both brought over on the same deal so if he could sign for the scousers why can tevez not go to the scum?

 

 

west ham do nt own the player out right.

 

they have been been at best liberal with the truth.

 

 

they get fined a massive amount....... well actually their fine is nowhere near the benefit they got by staying up and now are potentially going tio get a slice of a transfer fee that they would nt have been entitlesd to in the first place if they had nt signed him !!

(i doubt Tevez would have been allowed to go there without the dodgy clause in the contract re ownership)

 

they have nt been punished they are now being rewarded !!

interesting developments now

 

ssn report that joorabchian reckons he's got info to blow west ham out of the water, and he's going to give it to sheff utd

 

one things for sure, the truths coming out

Not at all. Kia is simply doing part of his negotiating with Magnusson in the press.

Not at all. Kia is simply doing part of his negotiating with Magnusson in the press.

 

aye, ok

 

you keep telling yourself everythings fine

 

i'd be the same in your shoes

I cannot understand though how the Mascherano deal went through?

They were both brought over on the same deal so if he could sign for the scousers why can tevez not go to the scum?

1. WHU were happy for the Mascherano deal to go through and therefore wouldn't have made an issue about letting go of his registration.

 

2. At that time, the clauses that have subsequently been found to break Rule U18 were in place. Meaning that WHUFC had no option but to let Joorabchian do as he pleased with Mascherano.

 

3. After the original independent commission the offending clauses were removed. This now means that Joorabchian cannot sell Tevez without WHUFC's agreement as we own his registration.

 

 

 

This is why currently Joorabchian and Magnusson are locked in talks. I'm 99% sure they will come to an agreement of sorts, thus avoiding going to court.

Kid yourselves as much as you want to, it stinks of shit to the rest of us.

1. WHU were happy for the Mascherano deal to go through and therefore wouldn't have made an issue about letting go of his registration.

 

2. At that time, the clauses that have subsequently been found to break Rule U18 were in place. Meaning that WHUFC had no option but to let Joorabchian do as he pleased with Mascherano.

 

3. After the original independent commission the offending clauses were removed. This now means that Joorabchian cannot sell Tevez without WHUFC's agreement as we own his registration.

This is why currently Joorabchian and Magnusson are locked in talks. I'm 99% sure they will come to an agreement of sorts, thus avoiding going to court.

 

 

if you own his registration what has it got to do with this other bloke ?

 

if previouslly you had an agreeemnt about his ownership and the other bloke did nt agree to that being terminated do you agree that this is in effect not cancelled ?

 

i have just been to the bank and told them i ahve decided to cancel my mortgage as i have decided that i now own my property deeds.

 

mr brooking the manager has agreed this seems reasonable.

I'm 99% sure they will come to an agreement of sorts, thus avoiding going to court.

 

When ?30m+ is at stake, I wouldn't be too sure.

 

The only agreement I can see is if the transfer fee or the majority of it goes to this Kia bloke - West Ham sacrifice their "share".

 

Which contradicts the PL position that West Ham should get the bulk of it.

Kid yourselves as much as you want to, it stinks of shit to the rest of us.

It stank to me.

 

Now we have been punished for the stink...

if you own his registration what has it got to do with this other bloke ?

 

We own Tevez's world wide registration. Kia owns Tevez's economic rights.

 

For Tevez to play for Man Utd, they will need to 'own' that registration. However, they won't be 'buying' Tevez in the traditional manner. Man Utd will pay Kia (through his companies MSI/JSI) a fee for Tevez's loan. Probably around ?9m a year.

 

So you see, the actual 'transfer' fee (for the registration) won't be a lot of money.

It stank to me.

 

Now we have been punished for the stink...

 

WHU were punished for the original stink.

WHU said that they had taken a remedy

It would appear that there is now projectile diaorrhea hurting from WHU towards that big spinny thing

Kid yourselves as much as you want to, it stinks of shit to the rest of us.

 

 

 

deep down he knows it stinks of shit

We own Tevez's world wide registration. Kia owns Tevez's economic rights.

 

For Tevez to play for Man Utd, they will need to 'own' that registration. However, they won't be 'buying' Tevez in the traditional manner. Man Utd will pay Kia (through his companies MSI/JSI) a fee for Tevez's loan. Probably around ?9m a year.

 

So you see, the actual 'transfer' fee (for the registration) won't be a lot of money.

 

 

so did you come to own the registration ?

 

surely that is important if it means he can not play for anyone ?

 

united will pay ?9m per year to loan him presumably tevez is paid by united or this other bloke ?

 

but if you say not letting him go who will pay this other bloke anything ? can you not just hold onto his registration ? if you do have his registration why is this different that owning the player ?

It stank to me.

 

Now we have been punished for the stink...

 

Punished?

 

Dont talk withyour cock hanging out.

 

You have a ringer in your team who keeps you up almost singlehandedly, and get the football equivalent to a parking fine!

so did you come to own the registration ?

 

For him to play for any club, they must own his registration.

 

united will pay ?9m per year to loan him presumably tevez is paid by united or this other bloke ?

 

Man Utd pay Tevez for his services. Man Utd pay Kia Joorabchian for enabling them to use his services.

 

but if you say not letting him go who will pay this other bloke anything ?

 

can you not just hold onto his registration ?

 

if you do have his registration why is this different that owning the player ?

WHUFC won't want to hold onto a player that doesn't want to play for them. So WHUFC will compensate KJ for the loss of the original (against the rules) clause that is no longer in place. KJ will pay WHUFC for his registration in order to make money from loaning him to Man Utd (or A N Other).

 

In reality, KJ and EM will come to an arrangement between themselves.

Punished?

 

Dont talk withyour cock hanging out.

 

You have a ringer in your team who keeps you up almost singlehandedly, and get the football equivalent to a parking fine!

WHUFC didn't set the punishment, what do you want Magnusson to do?

 

Say 'awfully sorry Mr Scudamore but the previous owner was a bit of a shady character and broke the rules, you have punished the club I now own, but I think the punishment was too light, please relegate us'?

 

In my opinion, the argument that Tevez almost singlehandedly kept us up, is bullsh1t. Going by that it's easier to argue he got us into the mess in the 1st place. For sure we won 7 in 9 at the end of the season. What about the 8 straight games we lost when he was in the side? Did he singlehandedly mastermind that too?

For him to play for any club, they must own his registration.

Man Utd pay Tevez for his services. Man Utd pay Kia Joorabchian for enabling them to use his services.

WHUFC won't want to hold onto a player that doesn't want to play for them. So WHUFC will compensate KJ for the loss of the original (against the rules) clause that is no longer in place. KJ will pay WHUFC for his registration in order to make money from loaning him to Man Utd (or A N Other).

 

In reality, KJ and EM will come to an arrangement between themselves.

 

 

my point is that if you hold his registration you are in a position of power. tevez is worth very little to anyone if he can not play.

 

unless you say yes he can not play for anyone else.

 

i can not see how a business will not get at least ?5m for him unless you agree to less for buying his silence.

WHUFC didn't set the punishment, what do you want Magnusson to do?

 

Say 'awfully sorry Mr Scudamore but the previous owner was a bit of a shady character and broke the rules, you have punished the club I now own, but I think the punishment was too light, please relegate us'?

 

In my opinion, the argument that Tevez almost singlehandedly kept us up, is bullsh1t. Going by that it's easier to argue he got us into the mess in the 1st place. For sure we won 7 in 9 at the end of the season. What about the 8 straight games we lost when he was in the side? Did he singlehandedly mastermind that too?

 

managers lose game, players win games!

 

did you know that?

 

to say tevez did not keep west ham in the premiership is utter crap!

So in effect, the following could happen:

 

WHU could say to Kia Joorabchian to get fucked and leave Tevez warming the bench for the next three seasons unless they get a sizable transfer fee.

He then says, ok Mr Magnusson, I helped you along with the PL enquiry but now you are seriously pissing me off and im off to have a word with Sheff Utd's lawyers because we both know full well that the agreement that broke the rules is still in place.

 

Everyone knows that the agreement that broke the PL rules still applies, officially or unofficially and the whole thing is a farse. This whole Man Utd transfer is making the PL look like a right set of plebs, it was all supposed to have been sorted.

my point is that if you hold his registration you are in a position of power. tevez is worth very little to anyone if he can not play.

 

unless you say yes he can not play for anyone else.

 

i can not see how a business will not get at least ?5m for him unless you agree to less for buying his silence.

He's worthless to us if he rufuses to play though isn't it. All the while he is at West Ham we will have to pay his wages and Kia's loan fee...

managers lose game, players win games!

 

did you know that?

 

to say tevez did not keep west ham in the premiership is utter crap!

So you think West Ham won the World Cup then

He's worthless to us if he rufuses to play though isn't it. All the while he is at West Ham we will have to pay his wages and Kia's loan fee...

 

 

if he refuses to play i am sure you can refuse to pay his wages.

 

i assume Kias loan fee elsewhere will be more than you are paying so he will wnt the move.

 

the more you explain this the more incredible it comes that the league have not doen more about it.

 

two interested parties are now negotiating who gets what and who keeps quiet.

One thing I don't understand about all of this. When a player comes to the end of his contract with a club, they do not hold on to his registration. Following the Bosman ruling such a player can choose to move to whichever club he wants.

 

So surely one of 2 things must apply right now:

 

1. Tevez signed a 2, 3, 4 or 5 year contract with West Ham last summer and West Ham are well within their rights to demand a fee for his registration

 

2. Tevez and West Ham do not have such contract (either because none was ever signed or because the agreement was for only 1 year) and Tevz is free to go play for whoever he wants

 

Am I looking at this too simplistically?