Guest Muzzle Posted March 23, 2008 Posted March 23, 2008 Maybe Megson will resign on Tuesday.......along with Gartside and other board members. In my mind, it looks like Megson has no idea what to do, his body language looked like he has given up the ghost....i look at the fixtures left, and then at the result on tuesday, and I think most of us had us down on the predictor as a win against the massives, and I think Megson did aswell........perhaps we need to totally change the attack, we need to do something to freshen the team up......and I am talking about using Harsanyi, Wolfe and Sinclair for Taylor, Diouf and Davies, we are creating chances but cannot score, so perhaps some drastic changes what have we got to lose
top_boy_84 Posted March 23, 2008 Author Posted March 23, 2008 Allardyce had money to spend at Newcastle. He signed a load of shite defenders plus Joey Barton, Mark Viduka and Alan Smith. Of those, only Smith has been a regular this season. I don't quite see your point: Faye is one of those defenders he signed; Barton is an excellent player, and he certainly showed that against Fulham; Smith is a good player; and, Viduka is outstanding and with his goals we would not be in the mess we are in now. In fact, with those three Allardyce signings, we would not now be in the bottom three without a prayer of staying up!
trotter58 Posted March 24, 2008 Posted March 24, 2008 (edited) I don't quite see your point: Faye is one of those defenders he signed; Barton is an excellent player, and he certainly showed that against Fulham; Smith is a good player; and, Viduka is outstanding and with his goals we would not be in the mess we are in now. In fact, with those three Allardyce signings, we would not now be in the bottom three without a prayer of staying up! Perhaps that's because you are responding to a different point than the one i actually made! I didn't say that Barton, Smith and Viduka weren't good players (although i wouldn't describe Barton as an 'excellent' player) I said that the only one who appeared regularly this season is Smith. Viduka has been injured for most of it and Barton has been in prison, so how exactly would they have helped us?! If you think that the likes of Cacapa, Rozehnal, (who Allardyce tried to sign for us!) Beye and Enrique are good defenders, then you obviously haven't seen any of Newcastle's games this season. Cacapa hasn't played since they were thrashed by Pompey and Rozehnal is now on loan to Lazio. Edited March 24, 2008 by trotter58
Traf Posted March 24, 2008 Posted March 24, 2008 Rozenhal? We'd be better off with Rohypnol: guaranteed to score, that way.
Toon fan Posted March 24, 2008 Posted March 24, 2008 Perhaps that's because you are responding to a different point than the one i actually made! I didn't say that Barton, Smith and Viduka weren't good players (although i wouldn't describe Barton as an 'excellent' player) I said that the only one who appeared regularly this season is Smith. Viduka has been injured for most of it and Barton has been in prison, so how exactly would they have helped us?! If you think that the likes of Cacapa, Rozehnal, (who Allardyce tried to sign for us!) Beye and Enrique are good defenders, then you obviously haven't seen any of Newcastle's games this season. Cacapa hasn't played since they were thrashed by Pompey and Rozehnal is now on loan to Lazio. Perhaps you haven't seen much of Newcastle this season trotter because Beye has been our best player and Enrique looks better every game now he's settling in, both have put in far better performances on the pitch than either Barton or Smith have for us. Allardyce as a manager was a disaster, his problem was he didn't have the brains to make a tactical decision and relied on someone feeding him prozone stats to tell him how the game was going, in fact prozone was his fallback for everything, anyone watching us could tell that we were playing long ball football that was rubbish but because we passed it around at the back before the long ball down field his stats were telling him that we played more short balls than long one's, he even kept records of decisions that went against us in his attempt to blame everyone apart from himself. The writing was on the wall in the Summer when he failed to replace Kieron Dyer and Nobby Solano properly, preferring to bring in grafters like Smith and Barton instead, he then spent ?6 million on Enrique and refused to play him because he needed time to get used to the Premiership, that's all well and good but we didn't have another left back (apart from Babayaro who's been released because he's never fit) so he had to play our best winger at fullback. I'm not even going to get started on his negative, long ball tactics or how Derby managed to pick up 4 points against us because he was more concerned about playing for a point rather than trying to win the game. Just happy he's gone.
Sweep Posted March 24, 2008 Posted March 24, 2008 Allardyce as a manager was a disaster unfortunately, for you lot, I think that Keegan won't prove to be much better. I would envisage he will be out of work again by Christmas, if he even lasts that long.....................
Toon fan Posted March 24, 2008 Posted March 24, 2008 unfortunately, for you lot, I think that Keegan won't prove to be much better. I would envisage he will be out of work again by Christmas, if he even lasts that long..................... Maybe he will, I think he'll be around longer than that though. A few things that were against Allardyce was he was appointed by the old board and the fans didn't like his boring style of football, you can live with it when you're winning but when you're getting played off the pitch by the likes of Derby and Reading then it doesn't sit well at all. Keegan on the other hand will get time and a lot more money to rebuild than Allardyce got here, he's just got to keep us in the Premiership this season, we've already seen big improvements in the way the team has been playing even if the results have been hard to come by, nobody expected many more points from the teams he's played though. When he gets his own players in in the Summer, the sort of players Allardyce should have got in in the Summer instead of grafters, we'll be ok.
trotter58 Posted March 24, 2008 Posted March 24, 2008 Perhaps you haven't seen much of Newcastle this season trotter because Beye has been our best player To quote someone else on this site, that's a bit like winning 'The World's Tallest Dwarf' competition.
Toon fan Posted March 24, 2008 Posted March 24, 2008 To quote someone else on this site, that's a bit like winning 'The World's Tallest Dwarf' competition. Being the best of a bad bunch maybe true, but to suggest he's a poor defender shows you up for being a know nowt. But that isn't anything we didn't already know, we haven't forgotten you on Newcastle-Online coming over telling everyone how you're better off without Allardyce and that Sammy Lee is going to get you playing this wonderful, free flowing attacking football. Clueless could be an understatement where you're concerned.
trotter58 Posted March 24, 2008 Posted March 24, 2008 Being the best of a bad bunch maybe true, but to suggest he's a poor defender shows you up for being a know nowt. But that isn't anything we didn't already know, we haven't forgotten you on Newcastle-Online coming over telling everyone how you're better off without Allardyce and that Sammy Lee is going to get you playing this wonderful, free flowing attacking football. Clueless could be an understatement where you're concerned. I think you're confusing me with someone who knows as little about football as you.
Toon fan Posted March 24, 2008 Posted March 24, 2008 I think you're confusing me with someone who knows as little about football as you. I can see you're a fountain of knowledge. What about Sammy Lee at Bolton? How far do you think he can take you? I?m amazed at the stick that Sammy Lee has been getting from the national press! The season hasn?t even started and already he?s being tipped for the sack! The journalists who write this garbage are missing several key points. Firstly Sammy Lee was identified by Sam Allardyce as the man who would take over from him when he left. As a result, Sammy Lee turned down the England Under-21 job and left Liverpool to join the coaching staff at Bolton. He wasn?t a panic appointment, he was always going to take over when Big Sam left. The supporters have been encouraged that he?s made it clear he would like to play more of a passing game this season and expects the players to be able to adapt to a number of systems. I think that he will be given the time to develop at Bolton and if he can steer us through a tricky first season, i think that he?ll go from strength to strength. What about the players you?ve brought in? What are the first impressions of them? First impressions have been very positive. People are quick to criticise the signing of Gavin McCann but the role he plays allows Kevin Nolan to get forward where he can be much more of a threat and he?s done well in pre-season. Daniel Braaten and Christian Wilhelmsson both come highly recommended (look them up on YouTube) and Gerald Cid, Allardyce?s last signing, looks like a very promising defender. Jlloyd Samuel replaces Quintin Fortune, who was seen less often than Lord Lucan during his spell with us. Unfortunately the player we were most looking forward to seeing, Blerim Dzemali, is out for a couple of months. Oh dear, at least you can console yourself by thinking you're some sort of witty online personality even if most people do think you're utterly clueless..
trotter58 Posted March 24, 2008 Posted March 24, 2008 (edited) Oh dear, at least you can console yourself by thinking you're some sort of witty online personality even if most people do think you're utterly clueless.. And this from the tool who thought that Allardyce was the new 'messiah', who only played long ball at Bolton because apparently our players were inferior to the array of talent on offer at Newcastle. Everyone's a genius with the benefit of hindsight. Edited March 24, 2008 by trotter58
Gustaf Posted March 24, 2008 Posted March 24, 2008 Fact - Allardyce proved himself a quality manager over a nine year period Fact - Megson has had no significant success as a manager. As a Premiership manager he has delivered nothing. When Rioch went I thought the sky would fall in but eventually we appointed allardyce and things improved. Gartslime and Edwin should be looking now for a high calibre replacement. I get the impression they'll sack Megson when we're halfway down the Championship at Christmas. At least the c0ckheads singing 'ginger mourinho' seem to have ceased now that the writing is on the wall!
Zico Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 What about the players you?ve brought in? What are the first impressions of them? First impressions have been very positive. People are quick to criticise the signing of Gavin McCann but the role he plays allows Kevin Nolan to get forward where he can be much more of a threat and he?s done well in pre-season. Daniel Braaten and Christian Wilhelmsson both come highly recommended (look them up on YouTube) and Gerald Cid, Allardyce?s last signing, looks like a very promising defender. Jlloyd Samuel replaces Quintin Fortune, who was seen less often than Lord Lucan during his spell with us. Unfortunately the player we were most looking forward to seeing, Blerim Dzemali, is out for a couple of months. christ almighty, i know hindsight is a wonderful thing but f?ck me could anything be further from the truth there (ps I would say the same about some of my posts around the same time) :rofl:
Sweep Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 Daniel Braaten and Christian Wilhelmsson both come highly recommended (look them up on YouTube) and Gerald Cid, Allardyce?s last signing, looks like a very promising defender As a single sentence, that is pretty haunting.
Sweep Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 Gartslime and Edwin should be looking now for a high calibre replacement. I do see a major issue with that, why would a "high calibre" manager want to come to Bolton Wanderers. At the start of this season, we could maybe have attracted somebody, the position we are now in, we really would struggle to attract anybody decent I would have thought
enzo gambaro Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 I'd rather fund a BNP Christmas party than give him any more of my hard earned cash. Agree with the sentiment entirely, but that's a can of worms that doesn't need opening on here.
magic legs Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 Agree with the sentiment entirely, but that's a can of worms that doesn't need opening on here. On Saturday we should have played Hunt right midfield like you were saying Enzo.
enzo gambaro Posted March 26, 2008 Posted March 26, 2008 On Saturday we should have played Hunt right midfield like you were saying Enzo.
Guest as Posted March 26, 2008 Posted March 26, 2008 Newcastle? Get to f?ck, you deluded geordie whopper.
YATESY Posted March 28, 2008 Posted March 28, 2008 Newcastle? Get to f?ck, you deluded geordie whopper. Indeed indeed: Allardyce Could Be Heading Back To Bolton! By Nu Mad Friday, 28th March 2008 As Gary Megson denied suggestions that Bolton's fight against relegation is being undermined by unrest among his own players ... reports from Spain suggest Sam Allardyce could be on his way back to the Reebok! But rumours from Spain, where Allardyce has a home, suggests the ex-Newcastle boss could be in line for a return to the Reebok should Bolton hit the relegation trap-door. Allardyce is desperate for a return to management, and with Megson winning few friends at Bolton ... the Trotters could well give Big Sam a chance to conclude unfinished business. Better the devil you know! So says Kylie.
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