Russell Sprout Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 For various reasons I had to miss 3 games this season so getting one of those ?20 membership things if still offered next season.
Carlos Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 Well thats absolutely fine but I don't think Bolton will continue to play in the PL without people going to support them. Not many have given financial reasons for not bothering in this thread, but, that is obviously going to come into it. Most, like yourself are bored or apathetic. I don't really want to get into that argument really. This thread is about people who say they care (we must not go down) but then in the next thread are saying they can't be arsed going next season. Sentiments that to me are completely at odds with each other! If we get you a trophy with "World's Best Bolton Supporter", will you stop moaning about it then?
Russell Sprout Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 If we get you a trophy with "World's Best Bolton Supporter", will you stop moaning about it then? Fans will possibly change their mind about renewal nearer the time, but the one thing that wont affect a decision is an internet forum poster telling people what they have to do.
Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 You might say that but if everyone took your attitude there would be an empty stadium and how long do you think that is sustainable in the Premier league?For what its worth I think Bolton's fan drain is due to too much TV football and our vicinity to Manchester. My point is that if you care about your team you go and support them. As you say, you still want your team to do well, but if all that you physically do is watch MOTD how much use are you? biggest load of crap ive read on here for a long time. there are many on here who have "served there time" for 10, 20 and 30 years who for a variety of reasons dont go. Because you currently are attending does not mean you are a better fan of the team.
SatanGreavsie Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 This thread is about people who say they care (we must not go down) but then in the next thread are saying they can't be arsed going next season. Utter crap - what they're saying is they're not getting a season ticket. There's a heck of a difference.
764104443 Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 You might say that but if everyone took your attitude there would be an empty stadium and how long do you think that is sustainable in the Premier league?For what its worth I think Bolton's fan drain is due to too much TV football and our vicinity to Manchester. My point is that if you care about your team you go and support them. As you say, you still want your team to do well, but if all that you physically do is watch MOTD how much use are you? I agree with what you are saying but I have been a season ticket holder for the last 7 years and im tired of the negativity. Our vicinity to Manchester has nothing to do with my opinion of not renewing my season ticket. To your other point of too much television football. I have had the the foreign rotating satellite dish system on Hotbird/Nile at my house for the last 5 years so this wouldnt change my opinion of going to the game because over the years I wouldnt have renewed my season ticket if this was the case. I am one of the few people that have the games at my house like the pubs and especially still have a season ticket. I also dont watch MOTD because im allways out getting p*ssed on a Saturday night.
764104443 Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 In answer to that point, a football club could easily survive in the PL at the minute with a half empty stadium, they could survive playing behind closed doors if they had to, whilst they are getting c?35M per season from Sky Another very good point CWP
chief wiggum Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 In answer to that point, a football club could easily survive in the PL at the minute with a half empty stadium, they could survive playing behind closed doors if they had to, whilst they are getting c?35M per season from Sky And how long will Sky continue to pay for games with half-empty stadia as a backdrop? And what happens if, at some point in the future, we get relagated, and the next generation of supportors just isn't there? If the Prem clubs can afford to get by without us, they should actually pay us to attend to make the TV 'product' more interesting. Mind you, a fair few off here still wouldn't go...
beer_swiller Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 A lot of people I know are not buying another, simply because the footy is shite, fair enough. Another point is,and it concerns me, Im out the country a lot and I miss four or five home games and Bolton Wanderers have been making certain games a tenner to watch. When Ive paid for a season ticket, which I do because I like where I sit, and the club begin to offer games at a tenner it will be pointless for some under those circumstances buying one. I do believe the club will reduce the team card prices because they know so many are not going to bother buying one, they must tempt those fans to come regularly and not just for the tenner games.
Sluffy Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 In the short term you are probably right. However, long term you wouldn't have a fan base, good players would not want to play for you and the fans of tomorrow would not be there to pick up the pieces when Sky bugger off! Not quite that simple Gudnisson. How many players would play for Bolton if they weren't getting paid? It's the money they play for - playing in front of a capacity crowd is a bonus but if the money is right they would play for Bolton (or any other club) to an empty stadium. As for if Sky / Setanta left well they have just bid ?1.7 BILLION for the next three years coverage of the Premiership - why do you think they've paid so much? Well the simple truth is that they make far more money on it than what they spend because the Premiership is watched by staggering amounts of people around the world ? that?s why Premiership clubs want to play the proposed '39th' game abroad, also why so many of them (us included) go over to places like the far east pre-season. We might have fallen out of love with the match day experience but a reported 500 million people around the world apparently love to watch the games. Whilst this vast international demand is there then Sky or someone else will carry on paying billions for the rights. I did a rough calculation that if Bolton did get relegated and had to depend on people coming through the turnstiles to cover what we lost from Sky monies - that we would have to increase our attendance to 60,000 people per game - which is twice the Reebok's capacity! Like it or not clubs such as ours see their future on the world financial market and no longer being sustainable simply from hometown fan support. I don't kid myself into believing there are million of world BWFC supporters - there aren't - but there are millions and millions of world supporters of teams like United, Liverpool and Arsenal, etc - and they have to play games against other clubs - hence the reason Bolton need to stay in the Premiership - we do get world recognition whilst we are playing the likes of United ? but more importantly to the club ? the tens of millions that go with it! The business behind Bolton Wanderers has moved on light years from what we have known it to be. It is no longer an enterprise that is founded by some local benefactor that is subsidised by local supporters turning up every other Saturday. It is now a multimillion-pound business that relies significantly on one source of revenue - Sky money. If and when the world gets sick of Premiership football, then that would be signalled in advance as the TV rights are bid for in 3 year packages - usually two years in advance of the existing package expiring. This allows clubs to fit their future expenditure to their future income - which basically means that if the television broadcasting revenue was to begin to dry up then the players contracts would no longer be renewed (or certainly not on anything like the wages that the players are receiving now!) ? as players wages account for the vast amount of the Sky revenue. The clubs do want fans to keep attending, they do want fans to be happy and spending money BUT they are increasingly less reliant on them - and when push comes to shove staying in the Premiership is far, far more important to the clubs finances than say losing ten thousand off the gate each week. Quite frankly if I wasn't getting on for well over 40 years a Bolton fan - I would have walked away from the Premiership a long time back - I truly believe it as killed the game that I loved - but Bolton is my 'habit' I guess - I still come back each and every day and I will until I die I expect. I can understand peoples disillusionment with what is going on at the club - the way we play simply just to not get relegated - but no matter how much people moan it simply isn't going to change - the finical implication of relegation is to big for that to happen. Walk away from the club if you must - I for one can't blame you - but if you stay please realise that this is the way things are now - hopefully we will get better players, play better football, get better results - but success will always be measured as not being relegated - everything else is simply a bonus.
jayjayoghani Posted May 1, 2009 Posted May 1, 2009 Italy want to go the same way http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8027857.stm
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