Exiled White - sorry, what's the difference between this happening in 1901 as it did and 2009?

 

Not sure if you are about to supply a punchline?

 

 

But in 1901 perhaps the people of east and south London had a reason for a grudge, and they mingled with each other in day to day life... i.e. it was a genuine rivalry

 

I can't imagine half of Essex have a grudge with half of Surrey in 2009

I hope that fat cunt Martin Samuel got smashed all over the pie shop he was frequenting at the time.

I hope that fat cunt Martin Samuel got smashed all over the pie shop he was frequenting at the time.

The fat cunt was in the posh seats with his offspring. Now the cynic in me thinks he did this so he could give a story from another angle. If so, well done Martin.

Pay attention, girl :p

 

I had read all of the thread. I can only assume I got to that post just as two of my colleagues started arguing about the Fantasy Football Team and nearly started fighting. I blame that distraction. Sorry ::

Exiled - back then people used to work closer to home, didn't go abroad and meet people from other places on holidays etc.

 

reckon fans today actually mingle more, not less, than they did in 1901.

 

Forget cliches about 'manors' etc

 

Doesn't matter where people live now - they go to the ground every other week, drink in the same pubs for donkeys years, know the landlord, respect the place, ditto the regulars they've come to know over the same donkeys years.

 

Someone from outside all that think they're going to stroll in and smash the place up - what do you think the reaction of the people who've been going to that pub is going to be?

Exiled - back then people used to work closer to home, didn't go abroad and meet people from other places on holidays etc.

 

reckon fans today actually mingle more, not less, than they did in 1901.

 

Forget cliches about 'manors' etc

 

Doesn't matter where people live now - they go to the ground every other week, drink in the same pubs for donkeys years, know the landlord, respect the place, ditto the regulars they've come to know over the same donkeys years.

 

Someone from outside all that think they're going to stroll in and smash the place up - what do you think the reaction of the people who've been going to that pub is going to be?

 

 

Terry Hatcher did it

thats funny because neither have you!

 

Please explain?

And to jolly ollie - as you go to football it's your perogative to wish attending games was like however you want it to be. It's everyone else's right to do the same.

 

Personally much preferred games in the atmospheres of old.

 

But your argument about going to wars etc is a non starter, given that a significant number of people involved over the years here have been ex services.

 

Can't speak for other clubs but would imagine it's a similar picture.

So you associate a good atmosphere with violence. Nice.

I had read all of the thread. I can only assume I got to that post just as two of my colleagues started arguing about the Fantasy Football Team and nearly started fighting. I blame that distraction. Sorry ::::

 

You sound about as busy at work as we are

So you associate a good atmosphere with violence. Nice.

I took it to mean like a cauldron, with proper dislike of opposing teams/fans & not neccessarily the violence. Unlike today's sterile, family friendly arenas.

Happen I'm wrong & happen it's just me.

Hello Bolty58 - respect your opinion on most things on here when I've browsed, but would have to argue about the 'reciprocal' thing.

 

There was trouble at our games vs Millwall right from the very off at the turn of the last century and decades ago respective work forces worked very close on the docks. During a strike the dockers south side of the river/Millwall continued to work.

 

I have no idea of how much actual hatred that caused at the time, but it's certainly a part of the history of it and a genuine hatred of Millwall has passed from generation to generation - it's not a mere thing of territory or they hate us, so we'll hate them type of thing.

 

It's been maintained because of a number of clashes and incidents over the years, and playing the likes of Spurs doesn't come close for the older lot.

 

To other posters the likes of the laughable Green St etc have absolutely nothing to do with it, would've happened absolutely regardless.

 

Hello again mate. Me mate down here who is ex-Treatment told me the same story today. Similar to Southampton and Portsmouth then?

No balls, thanks, spot on.

I took it to mean like a cauldron, with proper dislike of opposing teams/fans & not neccessarily the violence. Unlike today's sterile, family friendly arenas.

Happen I'm wrong & happen it's just me.

Well I was wondering why I was mentioned in the post. This thread is about hooligans which is completely different from a good vocal atmosphere. I am all up for a good atmosphere.

If folk want to to get rid of aggression then there is boxing for one they could take up. I prefer to watch a match knowing the people I am with are safe and that I am safe. Nothing good about throwing bottles, bricks, carrying knives and kicking people in the head. If other people differ in opinion then that is their perogative but try and keep it away from the ground like they do in some countries abroad.

Edited August 26, 200916 yr by jolly-olly

So you associate a good atmosphere with violence. Nice.

 

 

? I didn't read that into it at all. Have you ever been to an Old firm game? Electric atmosphere. Yes, it's built on hatred but FFS, it's a human failing we all have.

 

Chims right. The adrenaline was almost permanently coursing through your veins at the football 25-40 years ago. Sterile now by comparison.

Bolty58 - yep, but I think the Southampton/Pompy thing might have been a few years later in another strike that was just specific to shipping - think the West Ham/Millwall disputes were earlier in the general strike.

 

Fair to say that the origins of it are long gone and wouldn't mean a thing to many now, but it is a rivalry with incidents rather than just an area on area type of thing.

? I didn't read that into it at all. Have you ever been to an Old firm game? Electric atmosphere. Yes, it's built on hatred but FFS, it's a human failing we all have.

 

Chims right. The adrenaline was almost permanently coursing through your veins at the football 25-40 years ago. Sterile now by comparison.

Sorry if I misunderstood the post but I have replied above. I love a good atmosphere and I haven't said otherwise in this thread. I was just wondering why I was mentioned in the post as if i didn't like a good old fashioned atmosphere. My gripe is with the idiots who make it unsafe to take family to the games.

Jolly ollie - mentioned your name because you suggested that those involved could do with a stint in the army in your opener.

 

Just pointing out that a fair percentage of those you are on about have already done so.

Sorry if I misunderstood the post but I have replied above. I love a good atmosphere and I haven't said otherwise in this thread. I was just wondering why I was mentioned in the post as if i didn't like a good old fashioned atmosphere. My gripe is with the idiots who make it unsafe to take family to the games.

Bloody hell, you make it sound like match day could well be a Bosnian/Serbian style warzone. I went to matches as a child in the 70s & have survived. You've got a bit of journalist in you, haven't you?

Majority of them would. I take it you condone the violence.

 

 

of course i do..

 

i didn't take a rocket scientist to work out what would happen in a game involving west ham and millwall..

 

therefore all people wanting to avoid the incidents last night should've done just that..

 

those who took kids or women deserve all they get..

Jolly ollie - mentioned your name because you suggested that those involved could do with a stint in the army in your opener.

 

Just pointing out that a fair percentage of those you are on about have already done so.

Some probably have but I bet you the majority haven't. Looking at some of the lumps of lard on the pitch, god help us if they are in the forces or have been. You wouldn't need a sniper to hit them with the amount of lard around their guts.

I would prefer to think the vast majority of folk who are still in or have served time in the army are well disciplined folk. The ones I know are, including some of my cousins who are very placid blokes.

of course i do..

 

i didn't take a rocket scientist to work out what would happen in a game involving west ham and millwall..

 

therefore all people wanting to avoid the incidents last night should've done just that..

 

those who took kids or women deserve all they get..

 

do you REALLY believe that Billy?

 

There's a vast difference between a scuffle between a few lads and some of the stories coming out of UP last night

those who took women deserve all they get..

 

 

how would they stop it though on that scale?

 

they slashed Millwall's allocation from 3000 to 1500 and it's West Ham fans who run on the pitch inside the ground

 

seemed to be plenty police quelling it in the footage i've seen outside the ground

 

seems if a load of people want to kick off, there's not much you can do about it on that scale

 

as for those on the pitch

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8221776.stm

 

half of them are just bouncing around celebrating that fact they have run onto the pitch

 

 

28s in.........is she out shopping?

 

bleedin wimmin

28s in.........is she out shopping?

 

bleedin wimmin

 

Aye, and NB wasn't on here last night either.

 

Suspicious coincidence?

As a child who was carried on my father's shoulders on a pitch this has just annoyed me. I might be wrong but it is it really "sickening" "absolutely disgusting" & "very disturbing"?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8222700.stm

 

Fuck me, have a look what's going on in London today & tell me it really is all of the above!