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Complete blank today. Still, nice track, good day out. Winning money is just a bonus that didn't happen today! Brecan Boy turned over a 2/9 favourite in the first, my 6/1 pick in the 4.50 led for the entirity of the 2m 5f, was hampered by an unseated horse approaching the last and was beaten by a nasal hair

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  • Maggie Tate
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    How can an 11/1 shot in a field of that size be 2/1 to be placed?! Now I know how Betfair makes its money!

  • If you took those stats from Mal's piece, that'll be over the last two years, mate.

I dips me lid Herr Trafster. $100 on Meridiem at $5.20. Many thanks mate :thumbsup:

I got 4/1, many thanks Geegeez. With course record I think even 7/2 was generous. I shan't complain. Just bit by bit repair the Downpatrick damage... :thumbsup:

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Good Arrows, 7/2 was more than generous.

 

In fact the 11/4 on offer this morning was too long for a horse that has now not been outside of the top two in 6 races at Towcester.

Watch for it reappearing.

How can an 11/1 shot in a field of that size be 2/1 to be placed?! Now I know how Betfair makes its money!

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5/2 place only at Ladbrokes.

 

The reason betfair's place price is so low is because unlike a traditional E/W bet, there's no losing win element to your bet if it comes 3rd.

 

?10 E/w today at 11/1 pays back ?32 if it gets placed only ie ?12 profit on ?20 or 1.6/1 overall

A ?20 place only bet will return more.

 

Obviously if it wins, you lose out.

 

I'd advise using Best Odds Guaranteed bookies for the E/W bets, but do separate win & place bets.

How can an 11/1 shot in a field of that size be 2/1 to be placed?! Now I know how Betfair makes its money!

Is it not a fifth of the odds in a 9-runner handicap?

 

2/1 is pretty good in that case.

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It is 1/5 odds at bookies, but betfair's place price is 2/1.

 

Take Ladbrokes 5/2 anyway!

It is 1/5 odds at bookies, but betfair's place price is 2/1.

Aye, I get that, but, given that the Betfair layer doesn't necessarily have the safety net of a losing 'win' bet to offset placed runners, I'd say that was a decent price rather than the swizz Maggie suggests.

 

5/2 with Ladbrokes is obviously better.

 

What if there are two non-runners, though...

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No, I agree with you. I tried to make out earlier that 2/1 was decent.

If there's non-runners, you still get your 2/1 at betfair, too

I was almost talking to myself about the non-runner thing!

 

It's always irked me that Rule 4 applies when the terms change for the bookie, but that there's an assumption that I'd have made the same bet in, say, a 16-runner handicap as I would in a 15-runner handicap.

 

Carry on!

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The rule 4 deductions and the odds paid for a place are just two of the things that irritate me about betting!

Another course specialist for you today, but he's got a bit more to find than yesterday's, but the price will reflect that, if he gets home!

 

http://www.geegeez.c...7th-march-2012/

 

Lumped ?15 E/W.

 

 

Lumped ?15 E/W.

 

I've gone ?10 EW. I've also had a little cheeky ?2 on Tottenham HT Bolton FT at 66/1 :)

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So, no pressure on me today, then? :D

So, no pressure on me today, then? :D

 

It's the money I was gonna lend Spider for his sons shoes :)

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No horse of mine will ever win if Spiders' lads shoes depend on it.

Bank currently 27.8% up on this weeks efforts Traf so, well done mate. Keep em coming.

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I've just had a nibble at the 4/1 (BOG) on offer from bet365 for Lady Mandy in the 6.10 Kempton on Wednesday evening.

If anybody wants my reasons, I'll gladly explain in the morning.

Hope it's not a Manilow-esque reason, go forth Ms Traf, just had a score out of curiosity.

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Firstly: Stat of the Day: http://www.geegeez.co.uk/stat-day-28th-march-2012/

 

Secondly the 6.10 Kempton race as above:

The horse had 3 runs within a month last October/November, all over a very unsuitable 6 furlongs to get a handicap mark.

The yard has then left the horse off the track for 20 weeks waiting for the right race.

 

Lady Mandy is owned by Dr Marwan Koukash: a very shrewd operator and who names his better new horses after family members.

His wife's name is Mandy and the horse is entered in 3 big Tattersalls sales races.

This probably looks over optimistic for a 48-rated horse but a step up to 10 furlongs with hanagan on board should do the trick today.

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