just curious

The leftie self-flagellators, hand wringers and apologists always go on about the injustices perpetrated by the British during the empire building years but conveniently forget that many other European nations have far more skeletons in the cupboard.

 

The Belgians committed numerous atrocities in Africa, the French in North Africa, Spain in South and middle America, Portugal were single handedly responsible for starting the trans-Atlantic slave trade ( which incidentally the British were the first to abolish much to the chagrin of Portugal and France) and the Dutch wernt exactly choir boys in East Africa and East indies.

 

Russia and Germany have had much worse human rights records during the last century and the Arabs Islamic nations still turn a blind eye to human trafficking or modern day slave trading and female circumcision amongst their other medieval habits.

So all in all I?d say that the UK is pretty low down in the reparations league when it comes to it.

Edited June 10, 201213 yr by bgoefc

the belgians certainly didn't help matters in Rwanda,esp after switching sides when the going got tough. And they soon did one when their peacekeepers were murdered during the '94 genocide. still hard to believe that something like that happened so recently and the whole world virtually turned a blind eye to 800,000 being butchered in just 3 months

the belgians certainly didn't help matters in Rwanda,esp after switching sides when the going got tough. And they soon did one when their peacekeepers were murdered during the '94 genocide. still hard to believe that something like that happened so recently and the whole world virtually turned a blind eye to 800,000 being butchered in just 3 months

 

 

Hard to believe?

 

Do they have oil there?

Dutch wernt exactly choir boys in East Africa and East indies.

 

Odd how we get worse press than the Dutch.

I worked in Crete many years ago for the summer and the resort was pretty much full of Dutch folk. I could see after that how they went down so well in South Africa. They're alright though because they let us smoke over there and shag filthy whores.

King Leopold of Belgium effectively pillaged Congo for fun and had excessive dealings in slavery in a bid to outdo the Arabs reaching the Congo from East Africa. At least by and large the British hegemony was based on commerce and development. In fact, it would be fairly implausible to compare the British Empire to the atrocities of most others. The Spanish conquests for example, which were by and large based upon crusading.

King Leopold of Belgium effectively pillaged Congo for fun and had excessive dealings in slavery in a bid to outdo the Arabs reaching the Congo from East Africa.

 

Yes, but was he the man that brought Um Bongo back to Europe?

Yes, but was he the man that brought Um Bongo back to Europe?

 

And for that, we can forgive his pillaging past.

The leftie self-flagellators, hand wringers and apologists always go on about the injustices perpetrated by the British during the empire building years but conveniently forget that many other European nations have far more skeletons in the cupboard.

 

The Belgians committed numerous atrocities in Africa, the French in North Africa, Spain in South and middle America, Portugal were single handedly responsible for starting the trans-Atlantic slave trade ( which incidentally the British were the first to abolish much to the chagrin of Portugal and France) and the Dutch wernt exactly choir boys in East Africa and East indies.

 

Russia and Germany have had much worse human rights records during the last century and the Arabs Islamic nations still turn a blind eye to human trafficking or modern day slave trading and female circumcision amongst their other medieval habits.

So all in all I?d say that the UK is pretty low down in the reparations league when it comes to it.

 

Can't say i know many "lefties" who aren't aware of all this, but thanks for the reminder. Not sure what ya point is other than the world is a tad fucked.

 

I was only arguing empire usually involves more attrocities than niceties, whichever nation decides to embark upon it. Our empire caused as much harm as any other but the difference is we put alot of that behind us before most other countries. And your right there are a selection of Islamic nations who still live in a medieval timewarp.

King Leopold of Belgium effectively pillaged Congo for fun and had excessive dealings in slavery in a bid to outdo the Arabs reaching the Congo from East Africa. At least by and large the British hegemony was based on commerce and development. In fact, it would be fairly implausible to compare the British Empire to the atrocities of most others. The Spanish conquests for example, which were by and large based upon crusading.

 

I think what we did in Australia would be up there with the worst.

yes i agree....................letting them have Bolty was a disgrace

WUM

When you say Belgium, it is shit. However, Leuven and Antwerp are good, for different reasons. Brussels is shiter than shit. Not too bad if you are near the EU though, where there are loads of Brits.

 

 

Yes, but was he the man that brought Um Bongo back to Europe?

 

No, that was miracle man Muamba.

I think what we did in Australia would be up there with the worst.

 

Aye, reet.

Aye, reet.

 

Sorry mate, didn't mean to offend your new found paridise. I guess it's all worth it now you've got a cushty job and suburbian box

 

Fuck the past ey

Sorry mate, didn't mean to offend your new found paridise. I guess it's all worth it now you've got a cushty job and suburbian box

 

Fuck the past ey

 

Go on then, I'll play. Give us all the benefit of your vast knowledge of the subject.

 

I suspect you haven't even set foot in Australia?

I've been to Auz and I'd say hand on heart that if we hadn't colonised it the abbos would still be eating each other.

 

Nowadays they've progressed to sniffing petrol and rape, which I suppose in some ways is an improvement but still leaves a long way to go.

 

If ever there was an example of what the empire helped develop, Australia is one of them.

Go on then, I'll play. Give us all the benefit of your vast knowledge of the subject.

 

I suspect you haven't even set foot in Australia?

 

Jumping to conclusions again brother. I've been to Melbourne for a couple of weeks then Tasmania for another week. The whole population of Tasmanian Aboriginess was wiped out pretty quickly.

 

I wouldn't say it was vast knowledge, everyone knows that what the Aborignees went through at the hands of colonist was horrible. Kidnapping children from families and breeding out the colour for one. You can't go on to argue that it was all justified because of the comfortable life most Australians now live. You could of had all the positive aspects of European influence without wiping out indigenous populations. Hence why they have been seeking justice in the courts over the past few decades.

 

Smithy's ignorant idea of how the indigenous population lived doesn't help much either, you can't justify "genocide" with the development of a country. He's got a point in that drug and alcohol use are high amongst the aboriginees. As they are amongst N.A Indians and S.A Indians. If you went to Smithy's town, took away his land, wiped out his mates with disease then im sure you would find him down the pub drinkin his sorrows away in 20 years time.

 

I'm not arguing we or any Australian should feel guilty about the past only that sick mistakes were made during these conquests. Glorfying these acts is bullshit and i'm glad we have now learn't from these mistakes.

Edited June 11, 201213 yr by Youri Djorkaeff

You've spent to much time watching rabbit proof fence.

 

We went, we took, we gave you your Britain.

You've spent to much time watching rabbit proof fence.

 

We went, we took, we gave you your Britain.

 

Well at least your not denying these atrocities... Just seems a little fucked that your trying to justify them. The invasion of Australia hasn't exactly given me "my Britain."

 

Rabbit Proof fence was based on a true story and was one of thousands of similar stories. If genocide fills you with patriotic pride then so be it.

 

Rule Britannia

The worst thing about this country is jumped up twats judging the past on today's values, after reading some article in the Student Union "newspaper", trying to educate their elders when they don't even know the difference between your and you're. Your Britain is a generation of illiterate simpletons, this country really is fucked when half the world has a better command of OUR language.

 

 

Well at least your not denying these atrocities... Just seems a little fucked that your trying to justify them. The invasion of Australia hasn't exactly given me "my Britain."

 

Rabbit Proof fence was based on a true story and was one of thousands of similar stories. If genocide fills you with patriotic pride then so be it.

 

Rule Britannia

 

Genocide?

 

Don't talk with your cock hanging out.

Well at least your not denying these atrocities... Just seems a little fucked that your trying to justify them. The invasion of Australia hasn't exactly given me "my Britain."

 

Rabbit Proof fence was based on a true story and was one of thousands of similar stories. If genocide fills you with patriotic pride then so be it.

 

Rule Britannia

 

At least today's australia has apologised for past wrongs inflicted

Jumping to conclusions again brother. I've been to Melbourne for a couple of weeks then Tasmania for another week. The whole population of Tasmanian Aboriginess was wiped out pretty quickly.

 

I wouldn't say it was vast knowledge, everyone knows that what the Aborignees went through at the hands of colonist was horrible. Kidnapping children from families and breeding out the colour for one. You can't go on to argue that it was all justified because of the comfortable life most Australians now live. You could of had all the positive aspects of European influence without wiping out indigenous populations. Hence why they have been seeking justice in the courts over the past few decades.

 

Smithy's ignorant idea of how the indigenous population lived doesn't help much either, you can't justify "genocide" with the development of a country. He's got a point in that drug and alcohol use are high amongst the aboriginees. As they are amongst N.A Indians and S.A Indians. If you went to Smithy's town, took away his land, wiped out his mates with disease then im sure you would find him down the pub drinkin his sorrows away in 20 years time.

 

I'm not arguing we or any Australian should feel guilty about the past only that sick mistakes were made during these conquests. Glorfying these acts is bullshit and i'm glad we have now learn't from these mistakes.

 

Can't be arsed jousting with you any more. Carlos nailed it. Is it 'Aboriginess', 'aboriginees' or, perhaps, aborigines? If you are on a campaign to defend some of your imaginery downtrodden, at least learn to fcuking spell it correctly. Also, if they were' wiped out', how the fuck have they managed to 'seek justice in the courts over the past few decades' then? Genocide? FFS, you need treatment.

 

I could present you with examples of native Australians who have a different chauffeur driven car for every day of the week (through playing the system and based on white 'guilt' not dissimilar to yours), some so hooked on glue that flies stick to em, flocks of them who start the day squatting in ditches passing round flagons of sherry, cider or wine (whatever that days/weeks 'special' is at Liquorland); thousands who have been given brand new homes and still rip up the floorboards and burn them and weigh in the roofing sheets for scrap to go and buy more hooch. Christ, some days you could imagine you were in Top o'th'Brow.

 

The 'apology'? A fcuking joke foisted upon us by the reds. No doubt you will guess what the net result is - more money handouts ('compensation') for grog.

 

The amount of public money that gets spunked on these useless bastards is outrageous and dwarfs anything given to 'whiteys' as part of the social system. Most of it gets pissed up the wall.

 

1.6% of the population and the most useless race on earth. Yes, even more so than the Welsh.

If anyone is remotely interested there is a production of 'Our Country's Good' starting at the Octagon before a short tour. It's going to be a major revival this year, co produced with Out of Joint in Birmingham and a huge London producer.

 

The reason I mention it is that it tackles this very subject, and any play that starts with the opening para; 'at night what is there to do but seek English cunt.' deserves a watch.

 

Seriously though it is a massive production for the theatre to be involved with; it's been a while since they've opened a national show and if your interested in the naive and idiotic transportation of criminals to Australia, go and see.