Bullshit!

 

Typical leftie view that thinks of the perpetrators and their background first and come out with some "whataboutery" as they simply cannot bring themselves to lay the blame where it belongs. You cannot resist playing "prejudice" card.

 

Ok I will drop my so called "prejudice" when:

 

1. The Pakistani community "actually" takes steps to integrate into UK society.

2. They drop their defensive "victim" attitude.

3. They stop insisting on more an more Shariah law. (In fact all such Shariah law granted thus far in the UK should be repealed.)

4. They stop treating women in general like second class citizens and viewing those that do not cover up as harlots and deserving of assault.

5. They stop importing Saudi imams.

6. They get hold of the anti western radical islamic views within their circles and "out" those with those views.

7. They put being British first before their love of their country and origin, but more importantly their stone age religion which they genuinely believe absolves them of any moral come back, i.e. if its in the blessed Koran its all that matters.

 

Until then I will just have to carry on wearing the label you want to give me.

'Typical leftie', typically lazy - but I'll rise to the bait, I've never voted Labour in my entire life, 'lefties' refer to overtly PC types as 'big glasses, big earring ****s' do they?

 

I've 'thought of the perpetrators' backgrounds' - in that I consider blaming the pakistani lads and girls who are innocent, who are without power is a form of prejudice...If it isn't prejudice, what is it?

 

A 'leftie' finally writes sommat (well, Gonzo had already, but I expect he's not considered a true leftie ) and you come out with this post that I suspect you had prepared for some time.

 

I also state I've had run-ins, a couple of which I came out the worse end of, with men/lads of pakistani origin when I spoke against them - yet you have me down as a 'handwringer' and, totally lazily, as a 'leftie'.

 

My very final word - personally, if I could flick a switch tomorrow and rid the world of ALL religion, sectarianism and other bullshit which the weak and evil cower behind, then I would. I can't.

 

If you think pointing the finger wholesale at a grouping for the actions of a few, even many, of that group is going to work - you're deluded. Human nature, being what it is, those within that group who have done nothing wrong, who desire change, and are the ones who will implement the change are more likely to feel nowt but resentment. Charging the many for the crimes of a few. Accusing folk of supporting a culture when many (in the real world, I speak to them) want to change the culture - but are powerless to do so.

Edited August 29, 201412 yr by Youri McAnespie

I've no idea why some folk seem to think whether or not you find the whole situation disgraceful boils down to whether you lean to the left or right? Surely this is one issue we all agree on?

 

I think this from the Telegraph article sums it up

 

"The Labour Party, in particular, is mired in shame over “cultural sensitivity” in Rotherham. Especially, cynics might point out, a sensitivity to the culture of Muslims whose votes they don’t want to lose. Denis MacShane, MP for Rotherham from 1994 to 2012, actually admitted to the BBC’s World At One that “there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat, if I may put it like that."

I think this from the Telegraph article sums it up

 

"The Labour Party, in particular, is mired in shame over “cultural sensitivity” in Rotherham. Especially, cynics might point out, a sensitivity to the culture of Muslims whose votes they don’t want to lose. Denis MacShane, MP for Rotherham from 1994 to 2012, actually admitted to the BBC’s World At One that “there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat, if I may put it like that."

As I mentioned previously, if anybody turned a blind eye because of a fear of being labelled racist, then they should be punished along with the perpetrators.

 Human nature, being what it is, those within that group who have done nothing wrong, who desire change, and are the ones who will implement the change are more likely to feel nowt but resentment. Charging the many for the crimes of a few. Accusing folk of supporting a culture when many (in the real world, I speak to them) want to change the culture - but are powerless to do so.

You fail to acknowledge that it is the behavior, beliefs, attitudes and yes "culture" of the group as a whole that leads to the wrong doings of the few within that group.

 

You do acknowledge that because of that behavior, belief, attitude and culture, many in the "group" as a whole turned a blind eye to what the few do and did.

 

If there are "many" who that want change in that group, I  see little evidence of them speaking up. What I do see and hear is either silence or the same old rhetoric from the few spokesmen from their various islamic councils and groups, yet again playing the "victim" card, blaming everyone else.

 

I also see you playing along.

OK then, volte-face - introduce a two-tier citizenship, similar to the Baltic States do with resident Russian speakers who won't learn Lithuanian etc.

 

Any muzzie who doesn't tow the line gets bumped down, what entails 'towng the line' - well, we'll decide that as the situation dictates.

 

Anyone who's from Kashmiri heritage - expel them.

 

You're right, I'm wrong.

 

End of discussion.

Bullshit!

 

Typical leftie view that thinks of the perpetrators and their background first and come out with some "whataboutery" as they simply cannot bring themselves to lay the blame where it belongs. You cannot resist playing "prejudice" card.

 

Ok I  will drop my so called "prejudice" when:

 

1. The Pakistani community "actually" takes steps to integrate into UK society.

2. They drop their defensive "victim" attitude.

3. They stop insisting on more an more Shariah law. (In fact all such Shariah law granted thus far in the UK should be repealed.)

4. They stop treating women in general like second class citizens and viewing those that do not cover up as harlots and deserving of assault.

5. They stop importing Saudi imams.

6. They get hold of the anti western radical islamic views within their circles and "out" those with those views.

7. They put being British first before their love of their country and origin, but more importantly their stone age religion which they genuinely believe absolves them of any moral come back, i.e. if its in the blessed Koran its all that matters.

 

Until then I will just have to carry on wearing the label you want to give me.

 

I'm open minded but no more a bed wetter* than you're a right wing nazi facist, but them 7 points, they are prejudiced, there's no need to put the word in quotes

 

course something needs to change in their mindset, but most of this could've been avoided if our public services had done their fucking jobs properly, they've allowed it to go this far, that;s been made quite clear

 

I sit next to a Pakistani muslim girl at work, she's part of my team and I can safely say she doesn't fit into any of those 7 points

 

I could tell her her community need to do more to stop this sort of thing but she'd probably say i need to do more about all our bloody tv/radio celebrities

 

she's asked for two weeks off to go back to Pakistan, should i stand my ground and tell her Cornwall or Devon should suffice if she just wants a holiday?

 

 

 

*I generally only piss the bed at weekends

I wonder if Tommy Robinson has been apologised to yet.

He was slapped down for being a racist a few years ago for highlighting the grooming issues. Maybe that's why the councils kept quiet!

I'm open minded but no more a bed wetter* than you're a right wing nazi facist, but them 7 points, they are prejudiced, there's no need to put the word in quotes

 

course something needs to change in their mindset, but most of this could've been avoided if our public services had done their fucking jobs properly, they've allowed it to go this far, that;s been made quite clear

 

I sit next to a Pakistani muslim girl at work, she's part of my team and I can safely say she doesn't fit into any of those 7 points

 

I could tell her her community need to do more to stop this sort of thing but she'd probably say i need to do more about all our bloody tv/radio celebrities

 

she's asked for two weeks off to go back to Pakistan, should i stand my ground and tell her Cornwall or Devon should suffice if she just wants a holiday?

 

 

 

*I generally only piss the bed at weekends

 

Sorry buts thats just the old " I know abdul who serves me curry and he's a good lad" so I know they are all OK.

 

TV/ Radio celebs???!!!! seriously?

 

If you believe ALL those points are prejudiced then to me thats exactly the mindset that those labour councillors were in when they turned the other cheek. So you really believe Sharia law in the UK is okey dokey?

Sorry buts thats just the old " I know abdul who serves me curry and he's a good lad" so I know they are all OK.

 

TV/ Radio celebs???!!!! seriously?

 

If you believe ALL those points are prejudiced then to me thats exactly the mindset that those labour councillors were in when they turned the other cheek. So you really believe Sharia law in the UK is okey dokey?

While we are doing the my mate thing. I know probably 2 Muslims very well. One works on my ward at the Hospital as a health care assistant. He's conscientious and a really hard worker. He's also a good laugh. The second is a former bare knuckle boxer who used to serve in the British armed forces. Tell me how these two should have drawn attention to the grooming gangs in Rotherham?

 

On the sharia law point, as far as I understand it, sharia in this country is very limited and only really relates to being legally able to draw up a will or settle petty disputes. Even then all parties have to agree to it. And it's the same right as is afforded to other religious groups as well. Have you ever been affected by it? Or has anybody you know been affected by it?

I don't buy into any of this "the community", be it "the Muslim community" or "the black community". Did the "white community" or the "doctor community" inform anyone Harold Shipman had bumped off 500 people?

I don't buy into any of this "the community", be it "the Muslim community" or "the black community". Did the "white community" or the "doctor community" inform anyone Harold Shipman had bumped off 500 people?

 

No it was the local Undertaker Community that raised the alarm.

I'm pretty sure some in the jewish pawnbroker community fenced his stuff (Shipman) - well, I say 'sure', I know Manchester has a sizable jewish community, there must be some in the pawnbroker game, Shipman did nick stuff, mainly jewellery - some of which he sold - so I reckon' I'm right, they (the jews) helped him, or at least didn't blow the whistle, let's have a pogrom.

 

 

On the sharia law point, as far as I understand it, sharia in this country is very limited and only really relates to being legally able to draw up a will or settle petty disputes. Even then all parties have to agree to it.

I think the flaw there in that is whether the woman is in agreement through her own volition.

Having said that I often think fuck sisterhood when I see Muslim women out & about in their own in a full veil.

Sorry buts thats just the old " I know abdul who serves me curry and he's a good lad" so I know they are all OK.

 

TV/ Radio celebs???!!!! seriously?

 

If you believe ALL those points are prejudiced then to me thats exactly the mindset that those labour councillors were in when they turned the other cheek. So you really believe Sharia law in the UK is okey dokey?

 

no it's not the "my mate" addage at all, I was using her as an example to show you lumping all your ways in which some people need to change on the community as a whole is bollocks and indeed prejudice because it's nothing to do with the whole community, clearly "they" are not all ok, but equally, "they" all don't have to change, some are ok

 

which yes, is ridiculous as the tv/radio celebs point, thanks for agreeing with me on that one

 

I do think what you say was prejudice but if you think that means I'd turn the other cheek you couldn't be more wrong

 

I don't know how from what I said you think I believe Sharia Law in the UK is ok

 

it's not an all or nothing situation, there's cunts on both sides, "we", me and you, don't need to change because of white peados as much as "they" dont' all need to change because of this lot in Rotherham

 

but, changes are required, in their mindset and our social services, the latter will probably have a quicker turnaround and possibly be more effective as well

I'm open minded but no more a bed wetter* than you're a right wing nazi facist, but them 7 points, they are prejudiced, there's no need to put the word in quotes

 

course something needs to change in their mindset, but most of this could've been avoided if our public services had done their fucking jobs properly, they've allowed it to go this far, that;s been made quite clear

 

I sit next to a Pakistani muslim girl at work, she's part of my team and I can safely say she doesn't fit into any of those 7 points

 

I could tell her her community need to do more to stop this sort of thing but she'd probably say i need to do more about all our bloody tv/radio celebrities

 

she's asked for two weeks off to go back to Pakistan, should i stand my ground and tell her Cornwall or Devon should suffice if she just wants a holiday?

 

 

 

*I generally only piss the bed at weekends

 

 

This board is slipping.

 

HBAHT

I just want the authority’s to go after living ordinary criminals with as much vigor as they have done with a dead celebrity, is that too much to ask

Or alive celebrities, like Cliff Richard when the cunts turned up with the media in tow. What the actual fuck is all that about?

Or alive celebrities, like Cliff Richard when the cunts turned up with the media in tow. What the actual fuck is all that about?

or alive ones for that's, one case from what 1985 and a whole media circus or 1400 and fuck all, someones head needs to roll

Or alive celebrities, like Cliff Richard when the cunts turned up with the media in tow. What the actual fuck is all that about?

 

they reckon a BBC reporter got a tip off, so they told the police they were going to run a story on it, without any real proof

 

the police said don't run a story on it till we've done our bit

 

the BBC reporter said ok, I'll hold my story and you do your bit, but only if I can come along when you do

This board is slipping.

 

HBAHT

 

couldn't possibly tell under all them layers 

Aye, just spin, which is part of the problem. Tell the fucker that you are being done for Perverting the Course of Justice, get an injunction, don't let the media call the shots!

 

Heads need to roll, pensions need pulling from folk already retired. People need naming and shaming.

In fairness the Muslim Council of Britain have condemned it again, but that's a bit like Colin Moynahan telling us lot not to get pissed and to behave next time we're in Belgium or wherever.

 

To me though it's about too many people missing the point by a mile and a half, are too blinded by Lesbians for Lebanon type shite, or are on the whole just too fucking mard.

 

It's not about vicars noncing kids. We condemn that openly as a society. Burn the bastards.

 

It's not about 70's pop stars noncing kids. Again, we condemn it openly. Dig them up and burn the bastards.

 

It's not about Harold Shipman. We condemn him too. Well, apart from the scousers.

 

It's about a disproportionate proportion of the Muslim community up and down the UK noncing kids, the inaction of their brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, friends, and colleagues when it was going on (Big Jock knew and so did this fucking lot), and the now deafening silence from same communities and the people who defend them come rain or shine.

 

Maybe when we see the UAF and suchlike condemning these sex beasts and sections of their community which wants to drag us into the stone age, I might think society has a chance with the unhealthy anti-Muslim feelings we have festering in the UK.

 

I reckon I'll be waiting a while though.

 

 

I worry about how truly representative the MCB actually are. If you look at their Facebook page they've got about 3000 'likes'. I know you can't use that as a scientific benchmark but by way of comparison Spam has 169,000 'likes'.

 

It's hardly a ringing endorsement!

I worry about how truly representative the MCB actually are. If you look at their Facebook page they've got about 3000 'likes'. I know you can't use that as a scientific benchmark but by way of comparison Spam has 169,000 'likes'.

It's hardly a ringing endorsement!

MCB? Leave the Cuckoo Boys out of this please!