1 minute ago, kent_white said:

Literally nobody has said this. You've just made it up in your own head and are now arguing with yourself.

You’ve gone on a mad one. Read back to what me and Dimron were talking about, he thinks it’s likely the majority of kids will likely become Terrorists, I’ve said you can apply that logic to any conflict. In some cases it’s been proven. I’m not on about buildings

4 minutes ago, kent_white said:

No - because I think we have a moral obligation to offer sanctuary to people fleeing war - particularly people who have been displaced because of wars that we have instigated. On e they're here, then I expect our security forces to keep us safe, and. Which they do remarkably well for the most part.

Are you saying that the UK caused the current conflict out there?

Moreover, if we do get engaged in a conflict, then the last thing we should be doing is giving succour to those involved who might actually be an enemy.

During the second World War, we sent German citizens who lived here to camps, as a means of mutual protection. We certainly didn't allow a load of German citizens in from there!

Just now, royal white said:

You’ve gone on a mad one. Read back to what me and Dimron were talking about, he thinks it’s likely the majority of kids will likely become Terrorists, I’ve said you can apply that logic to any conflict. In some cases it’s been proven. I’m not on about buildings

So we agree that nobody has suggested that a child watching their parents get killed in the Gaza conflict is any more or less likely to become a terrorist than a child watching their parents get killed in any other conflict around the world.

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Are you saying that the UK caused the current conflict out there?

Moreover, if we do get engaged in a conflict, then the last thing we should be doing is giving succour to those involved who might actually be an enemy.

During the second World War, we sent German citizens who lived here to camps, as a means of mutual protection. We certainly didn't allow a load of German citizens in from there!

And after the war we didn't.

12 minutes ago, royal white said:

So you’ve agreed they’re likely to be terrorists, hate Brits and Israelis and that’s you’re happy to welcome them here. Jesus wept.

🙄

I'm going to bed lads. I can't be arsed with this one tonight. It's too hot! 🤣

5 minutes ago, kent_white said:

So we agree that nobody has suggested that a child watching their parents get killed in the Gaza conflict is any more or less likely to become a terrorist than a child watching their parents get killed in any other conflict around the world.

Well your reference to buildings Is a bit of a strange one, not nearly as strange as thinking it’s normal Accept 100s of thousands of potential terrorists in the country because our security services do a good job .

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19 hours ago, kent_white said:

Fucking hell! 🤣

Did you have a look at Google maps or are they a Hamas ally too? 😁

Do you deny that a UN agency assisted Hamas in the 7th October massacre?

9 hours ago, Dimron said:

We did this to Caen to "liberate" the population.

What is the Israeli reasoning?

Stop the endless attacks by any chance?

8 hours ago, kent_white said:

No - because I think we have a moral obligation to offer sanctuary to people fleeing war - particularly people who have been displaced because of wars that we have instigated. On e they're here, then I expect our security forces to keep us safe, and. Which they do remarkably well for the most part.

You are off your rocker pal. We have done far too much of that already. We should be exporting some to help with rebuilding.

11 hours ago, Dimron said:

We did this to Caen to "liberate" the population.

What is the Israeli reasoning?

Looks a bit like DAUBHILL

3 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Do you deny that a UN agency assisted Hamas in the 7th October massacre?

Yes, I deny it. And it's a loaded question, symptomatic of how online discourse works nowadays.

You're conflating two different things. The UN's own report said 9 UNRWA staff members "may" have been involved in the October 7th attack, but they couldn't even verify the Israeli military's claims. Nothing's been independently verified and nobody's been prosecuted.

If UNRWA institutionally assisted Hamas in a massacre, you'd see prosecutions under international law. What actually happened is individual staff got fired based on intelligence that Israeli security forces won't disclose. That's a potentially very serious vetting failure, but it's not institutional assistance.

If a Hamas member worked at a hospital as a janitor, that's a security failure. It doesn't mean the hospital assisted Hamas.

So what evidence do you actually have showing institutional assistance? Not possible individual involvement, actual institutional involvement.

I'm open to changing my mind. I'm not ideologically wed to things one way or another.

But this is the same principle as to why I refrain from calling DT a nonce. That's a serious accusation that requires serious evidence to back up. And so is this.

6 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Do you deny that a UN agency assisted Hamas in the 7th October massacre?

Let's flip it

How did Hamas manage to get into Israel by cutting open a fence, in one of the most guarded territories on earth, massacre loads, took hostages and got back out?

And no one noticed

1 hour ago, DirtySanchez said:

Let's flip it

How did Hamas manage to get into Israel by cutting open a fence, in one of the most guarded territories on earth, massacre loads, took hostages and got back out?

And no one noticed

The Israel Intelligence probably knew, but it gave an air of legitimacy for them to go full beans after Hamas. Whilst unpleasant, 500~1000 deaths was probably "worth it" as far as the top brass within Israel are concerned. A means to an end, if you will.

I guess even if they, for some reason didn't know about it (which seems strange) I bet they were pleased as fuck when it happened

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

The Israel Intelligence probably knew

The fact that we're even considering this as a possibility tells me a lot about how we regard the state of Israel nowadays.

However - it's the same principle as the DT is a nonce/UN is a Hamas agent claims for me.

There were systemic failures, ignored warnings, and attempts to evade accountability, right up to and including Benjamin Netanyahu. But they were judgement failures as opposed to intentionally facilitating an attack. Again, happy to change my mind based on new evidence to the contrary.

6 hours ago, kent_white said:

Yes, I deny it. And it's a loaded question, symptomatic of how online discourse works nowadays.

You're conflating two different things. The UN's own report said 9 UNRWA staff members "may" have been involved in the October 7th attack, but they couldn't even verify the Israeli military's claims. Nothing's been independently verified and nobody's been prosecuted.

If UNRWA institutionally assisted Hamas in a massacre, you'd see prosecutions under international law. What actually happened is individual staff got fired based on intelligence that Israeli security forces won't disclose. That's a potentially very serious vetting failure, but it's not institutional assistance.

If a Hamas member worked at a hospital as a janitor, that's a security failure. It doesn't mean the hospital assisted Hamas.

So what evidence do you actually have showing institutional assistance? Not possible individual involvement, actual institutional involvement.

I'm open to changing my mind. I'm not ideologically wed to things one way or another.

But this is the same principle as to why I refrain from calling DT a nonce. That's a serious accusation that requires serious evidence to back up. And so is this.

https://govextra.gov.il/unrwa/unrwa/

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

The Israel Intelligence probably knew, but it gave an air of legitimacy for them to go full beans after Hamas. Whilst unpleasant, 500~1000 deaths was probably "worth it" as far as the top brass within Israel are concerned. A means to an end, if you will.

I guess even if they, for some reason didn't know about it (which seems strange) I bet they were pleased as fuck when it happened

Aye and Farage will jump ship before the next GE. We know

4 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Aye and Farage will jump ship before the next GE. We know

Any chance you could answer my question

No

Thought not

9 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

https://govextra.gov.il/unrwa/unrwa/

OK - I can see you've posted a link to an Israeli Government website.

Specifically - which part of it do you think shows that the UN or UNRWA were complicit or aided and abetted the October 7th attacks?

22 hours ago, royal white said:

I know you being a teacher and all that you think there’s only one answer and that you’re right.

😂😂

You don't have talk out your arse at times.

There's nobody on this forum with less of an understanding of nuance than yourself.

Mr Black and White tries telling someone else that they've got tunnel vision 😄

6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

😂😂

You don't have talk out your arse at times.

There's nobody on this forum with less of an understanding of nuance than yourself.

Mr Black and White tries telling someone else that they've got tunnel vision 😄

Literally any post of mine and the best you can do is “whataboutery” it’s embarrassing, especially when it’s not whataboutery. You’re clearly set in your ways of theres only one answer. It’s What Id expect really from someone as desperate as you 😉 x

24 minutes ago, royal white said:

Literally any post of mine and the best you can do is “whataboutery” it’s embarrassing, especially when it’s not whataboutery. You’re clearly set in your ways of theres only one answer. It’s What Id expect really from someone as desperate as you 😉 x

Aye comparing Israel's genocide with the troubles in Northern Ireland 🤣

What an embarrassing attempt at Whataboutery. Anything but criticise Israel eh.

I'm not sure what you're rambling on about right or wrong answers and teachers. This isn't a pub quiz and nobody asked you to answer a question. We're expressing opinions. You've shared yours for all to see. Made a bit of a tit of yourself with your comparison (which happens to the best of us) and now your getting rattled and arguing with yourself.

" But but you're a teacher and you think you're always right" 😂

12 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Aye comparing Israel's genocide with the troubles in Northern Ireland 🤣

What an embarrassing attempt at Whataboutery. Anything but criticise Israel eh.

I'm not sure what you're rambling on about right or wrong answers and teachers. This isn't a pub quiz and nobody asked you to answer a question. We're expressing opinions. You've shared yours for all to see. Made a bit of a tit of yourself with your comparison (which happens to the best of us) and now your getting rattled and arguing with yourself.

" But but you're a teacher and you think you're always right" 😂

Show me where I compared genocide to The Ireland troubles? This is your problem and it’s been picked up by a few on here before, you just start shouting whataboutery whilst not actually reading what’s being discussed. Strange guy.

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Show me where I compared genocide to The Ireland troubles? This is your problem and it’s been picked up by a few on here before, you just start shouting whataboutery whilst not actually reading what’s being discussed. Strange guy.

Have they? Who else has picked up on this mystery problem? Can you show me where they have ? 😄

It's a strange response from yourself. Israel have been shown to have committed genocide in Gaza... most normal people (Bolty not included) would just condone it and call it out for what it was.

Yet here you are rambling on about the mindsets of children in conflicts and making strange comparisons to Ireland, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Just like when folk on here were calling it genocide and saying Israel were deliberately targeting civilians, yet you were waffling on about a hot dog shop doing well and that aid was being allowed in.

You have consistently deflected from Israel and even defended them at times. Claiming they haven't been doing it deliberately.

Now it has been confirmed they acted very deliberately and it is genocide. All you can offer is that 'these things happen in war' and 'whatabout all these other conflicts'. You'd look less daft just accepting you got it wrong about Israel's actions.