Drug addict jailed for 20 years for manslaughter of own son

In you go.

Joshua Jacques charged with  murders of 4 family members

And you.

13 minutes ago, royal white said:

We don’t have to be that brutal, a week in solitary first then a lethal injection. Some people shouldn't have the right to appeal or human rights, how much is being some on Huntley now? Farce 

Well according to the research - much less than if you put him on death row with access to appeals. 

And the drugs companies have stopped supplying the US with what they need for lethal injection - and it would be the same here. 

So if you're happy to spend the extra money or waive the appeals process then there's an argument for capital punishment if what you are looking for is retribution. Less so if you're looking to save money/hoping it will act as a deterence.

But then Lucy Letby would already be dead under your system. So you'd have to be happy with the odd miscarriage of justice too. 

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Maybe a new type of Capital Punishment.
Insert a plant in prisons to knock off the most obnoxious type of individual. 
Everyone’s happy. Clear conscience, none political. Easy peasy.

They're already there by the sounds of things! 👍

7 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Well according to the research - much less than if you put him on death row with access to appeals. 

And the drugs companies have stopped supplying the US with what they need for lethal injection - and it would be the same here. 

So if you're happy to spend the extra money or waive the appeals process then there's an argument for capital punishment if what you are looking for is retribution. Less so if you're looking to save money/hoping it will act as a deterence.

But then Lucy Letby would already be dead under your system. So you'd have to be happy with the odd miscarriage of justice too. 

Hence why I said they shouldn’t have a right to appeal, or we could be kind of give them one. There’s no reason for them to be on death row for decades. 

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

Hence why I said they shouldn’t have a right to appeal, or we could be kind of give them one. There’s no reason for them to be on death row for decades. 

That's the problem though. It usually takes that long to go through all the appeals and other legal avenues. 

I partly agree though - if you are going to have a death penalty and it's an absolutely cast iron conviction, then leaving someone rotting on death row for years seems unnecessarily cruel. Unless you want that to be part of the punishment. 

4 minutes ago, kent_white said:

That's the problem though. It usually takes that long to go through all the appeals and other legal avenues. 

I partly agree though - if you are going to have a death penalty and it's an absolutely cast iron conviction, then leaving someone rotting on death row for years seems unnecessarily cruel. Unless you want that to be part of the punishment. 

Therein lies the problem.

I'd have no qualms in castrating Huntley with a rusty hacksaw and watching him bleed to death, but how do you set a benchmark for 'cast iron conviction'?

26 minutes ago, wakey said:

Therein lies the problem.

I'd have no qualms in castrating Huntley with a rusty hacksaw and watching him bleed to death, but how do you set a benchmark for 'cast iron conviction'?

I don't think you can really. Or at least I can't think of one. I suppose hypothetically speaking, if that piece of shit who carried out the Manchester bombing had somehow survived? 

Those types of cases are going to be vanishingly small though. And even then - I'm not sure it's the right thing to make a martyr out of someone like that. 

Prison should be tough enough to feel like a punishment and act as somewhat of a deterrent (although I'm not convinced deterrence really works) - but with the chance of rehabilitation and reintroduction to society for non-lifers. Especially none violent criminals. In my head anyway. 

50 minutes ago, wakey said:

Therein lies the problem.

I'd have no qualms in castrating Huntley with a rusty hacksaw and watching him bleed to death, but how do you set a benchmark for 'cast iron conviction'?

We can start with the rigby killers 

Dead against the death penalty. 

Let them rot, let them suffer, let them live a long life knowing what they have done and make an example of them..

We've learnt from these terrorists that some people don't care about dying for their cause/actions.. 

8 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Dead against the death penalty. 

Let them rot, let them suffer, let them live a long life knowing what they have done and make an example of them..

We've learnt from these terrorists that some people don't care about dying for their cause/actions.. 

Ian Huntley was attacked whilst making furniture in a workshop. 

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

Ian Huntley was attacked whilst making furniture in a workshop. 

I don't agree with the system, but can be against the death penalty..

Should be treated like shit, as i said, let them suffer Huntley apparently was living quite a cushy number and rubbing people the wrong way. 

 

2 hours ago, only1swanny said:

Dead against the death penalty. 

Let them rot, let them suffer, let them live a long life knowing what they have done and make an example of them..

We've learnt from these terrorists that some people don't care about dying for their cause/actions.. 

Agree. 

Though on terrorists, where there is incontrovertible proof, then maybe.

Maybe a date with gravity from a military plane at 10,000 feet.

Do a job lot in one go.

Splashdown over the Atlantic somewhere, providing mashed fish food.

4 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Maybe a new type of Capital Punishment.
Insert a plant in prisons to knock off the most obnoxious type of individual. 
Everyone’s happy. Clear conscience, none political. Easy peasy.

Iirc there was a torture where someone was strapped down over a growing bamboo shoot.

The plant would grow, and do its worst. 

Will never be in support of the death penalty 

I doubt I'd feel better off financially 

More than happy for justice to be served inside with the thought some will spend their days in fear of being done in

2 hours ago, Zico said:

Will never be in support of the death penalty 

I doubt I'd feel better off financially 

More than happy for justice to be served inside with the thought some will spend their days in fear of being done in

The lad who's caused us so much heartache, I found out about him and took me a lot. The Portugese don't want to share details and the positive relationship I had with the journalists over there got me the info tgat the Government couldn't..

He'll be wishing he was dead by all accounts, it gives a glimmer of hope, but I don't want him to die. 

11 hours ago, royal white said:

We can start with the rigby killers 

I have and always will be against capital punishment, but when you see something like that actually filmed live, I do start to doubt my opinion.

14 hours ago, Alf Hartigan said:

I have and always will be against capital punishment, but when you see something like that actually filmed live, I do start to doubt my opinion.

Aye, precisely. 

There is simply no doubt.

One of the things that concerns me though, is how does anyone get the job of doing the deed, and managing to live with what they do?

Is there a way of doing it, without anyone specifically actually doing the execution.

Sure I heard once that with a firing line, only one would be given a bullet, the other blanks, with none of them knowing who got it.

Still doesn't sit right.

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Aye, precisely. 

There is simply no doubt.

One of the things that concerns me though, is how does anyone get the job of doing the deed, and managing to live with what they do?

Is there a way of doing it, without anyone specifically actually doing the execution.

Sure I heard once that with a firing line, only one would be given a bullet, the other blanks, with none of them knowing who got it.

Still doesn't sit right.

I think you have it slightly wrong, I think it is one shooter who has a blank for the same reason but reduces the chances of the prisoner only being wounded. No one knows who has the blank. 

2 hours ago, Ani said:

I think you have it slightly wrong, I think it is one shooter who has a blank for the same reason but reduces the chances of the prisoner only being wounded. No one knows who has the blank. 

Fair enough, though that therefore makes multiple executioners, which confirms my point.

Not a pleasant task at the best of times, and I'd be loathe to see more than needed.

6 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Fair enough, though that therefore makes multiple executioners, which confirms my point.

Not a pleasant task at the best of times, and I'd be loathe to see more than needed.

Odd conversations that are had..

I'm the only one of my family against it, so I'd wager they would pull the trigger.. 

On 07/03/2026 at 22:58, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Agree. 

Though on terrorists, where there is incontrovertible proof, then maybe.

Maybe a date with gravity from a military plane at 10,000 feet.

Do a job lot in one go.

Splashdown over the Atlantic somewhere, providing mashed fish food.

It should be Point Nemo.

22 hours ago, only1swanny said:

Odd conversations that are had..

I'm the only one of my family against it, so I'd wager they would pull the trigger.. 

I reckon pretty much everyone would feel like pulling the trigger afterwards. 

Thankfully, we don't have to. 

I could imagine that for many, it would be a very difficult moment, and one which could haunt them later in life.

A double PTSD.

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I reckon pretty much everyone would feel like pulling the trigger afterwards. 

Thankfully, we don't have to. 

I could imagine that for many, it would be a very difficult moment, and one which could haunt them later in life.

A double PTSD.

Think i've got PTSD from it all, some horrific dreams for the last 2 years, really grim. 

I've always maintained that I don't want him dead, I want to know whats happening and will do all i can to keep others safe from him my opinion caused a bit of a family rift   

 

On 07/03/2026 at 10:23, kent_white said:

That's the problem though. It usually takes that long to go through all the appeals and other legal avenues. 

I partly agree though - if you are going to have a death penalty and it's an absolutely cast iron conviction, then leaving someone rotting on death row for years seems unnecessarily cruel. Unless you want that to be part of the punishment. 

Aren't all murder convictions 'cast iron?' Everyone in prison is guilty 🤔The death penalty just fuels the blood lust of backwards thinking people and nations. The penalty isn't coming back any time soon. If at all.

On 07/03/2026 at 20:23, kent_white said:

That's the problem though. It usually takes that long to go through all the appeals and other legal avenues. 

I partly agree though - if you are going to have a death penalty and it's an absolutely cast iron conviction, then leaving someone rotting on death row for years seems unnecessarily cruel. Unless you want that to be part of the punishment. 

 

39 minutes ago, Underpants said:

Aren't all murder convictions 'cast iron?' Everyone in prison is guilty 🤔The death penalty just fuels the blood lust of backwards thinking people and nations. The penalty isn't coming back any time soon. If at all.

correct

I know what you mean in terms of their being irrefutable evidence of a killing, like with lee rigby or the southport guy

but if it's not a cast iron conviction then surely they shouldn't be in prison, because that suggets some sort of doubt

anyway

also correct

its not coming back

 

 

14 hours ago, Zico said:

 

correct

I know what you mean in terms of their being irrefutable evidence of a killing, like with lee rigby or the southport guy

but if it's not a cast iron conviction then surely they shouldn't be in prison, because that suggets some sort of doubt

anyway

also correct

its not coming back

 

 

Beyond reasonable doubt remember. 

There is also the possibility of new techniques rendering previous convictions unsafe or incorrect. 

We've seen that recently. 

The southport bastard etc- there is absolutely no doubt, with the cunts still at the scene.

Techniques would still be used to back everything up.