little whitt Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Zico said: Never saw Gazza live in his prime Remember Rooney at Everton tearing our defence, and Campo in particular, a new one Think Gazza scored against us for Everton once i seen him for Everton a few times Rangers in a champions League game / a couple of League games Middlesbrougth Twice and One England Game was outstanding in them all for rangers he scored 19 in his first season and 17 in is second Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 11 hours ago, little whitt said: for rangers he scored 19 in his first season and 17 in is second Not difficult. SPL is worse than women's football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnywhite Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) On 31/07/2022 at 19:03, Zico said: Great players win things consistently over a number of seasons That doesn’t really stack up Phil neal must be a great then 25 trophies including 8 titles and 4 European cups More than Maradona , best and Mathews combined . Some great players win very little some good players win loads it’s always been that way Edited August 2, 2022 by Farnywhite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted August 2, 2022 Moderators Share Posted August 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, Farnywhite said: That doesn’t really stack up Phil neal must be a great then 25 trophies including 8 titles and 4 European cups More than Maradona , best and Mathews combined . Some great players win very little some good players win loads it’s always been that way Surely then Phil Neal was a great full back? Like Gary Neville, Ashley Cole etc He had 50 england caps too Must've had something about him Regardless, great players tend to have honours that reflect that Matthews won the balon dor to be fair, maradona the world cup, amongst other accolades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnywhite Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Zico said: Surely then Phil Neal was a great full back? Like Gary Neville, Ashley Cole etc He had 50 england caps too Must've had something about him Regardless, great players tend to have honours that reflect that Matthews won the balon dor to be fair, maradona the world cup, amongst other accolades Phil neal I would say was a very good full back but played in a great team that’s the difference . I am just making the distinction that you said great players win things consistently I don’t think that is true . another example Jimmy greaves is regarded by many as the greatest English striker didn’t get picked in the World Cup final without checking I think he won very little in is career Edited August 2, 2022 by Farnywhite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted August 2, 2022 Moderators Share Posted August 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, Farnywhite said: Phil neal I would say was a very good full back but played in a great team that’s the difference . I am just making the distinction that you said great players win things consistently I don’t think that is true . another example Jimmy greaves is regarded by many as the greatest English striker didn’t get picked in the World Cup final without checking I think he won very little in is career Ok, then maybe you would debate who was the better full back, Neville or Neal But when it comes to Gazza v Rooney, who's the greatest I'm not sure why you'd go with Gazza other than if we're talking talent/skill Not sure how you quantify that other than just which you prefer to watch Gazza is nostalgic What about Waddle v Rooney? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnywhite Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 I said before I think there the two best talents it’s very close . Gazza might be nostalgia I give you that. But I also take in to account that back in the late 80s early 90 s the game was far more physical . if gazza played today he would be even more effective. Rooney is the better goal scorer but he is a striker . Gazza s massy runs from midfield is passing range and dead ball ability I think he just edges it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted August 2, 2022 Moderators Share Posted August 2, 2022 Or another question, who is greater than Gazza in terms of England, or is he England's greatest ever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnywhite Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) Personally if we’re talking England I would say Gazza was the most gifted player to play for England . Greatest England player may be would have to say Bobby charlton . thinking about it Mathews and finney we’re probably a better talent than Gazza Edited August 2, 2022 by Farnywhite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Steejay Posted August 2, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted August 2, 2022 29 minutes ago, Zico said: Or another question, who is greater than Gazza in terms of England, or is he England's greatest ever? My dad and grandad both said that, in their opinions, Finney was better than Matthews. But they also said that Duncan Edwards had the potential to be the best ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnywhite Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Steejay said: My dad and grandad both said that, in their opinions, Finney was better than Matthews. But they also said that Duncan Edwards had the potential to be the best ever. Bill shankley who played with Tom finney said back when he was Liverpool manager and George best was in is pomp that finney was the better of the two when comparing best and finney Edited August 2, 2022 by Farnywhite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 21 minutes ago, Farnywhite said: Bill shankley who played with Tom finney said back when he was Liverpool manager and George best was in is pomp that finney was the better of the two when comparing best and finney I’ve heard some people say Dalglish was the best ever British player and I must say he’s in my top 5. And I’d have Rooney as Englands best ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 quite a recent article from 442 https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ranked-the-25-best-english-players-ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnywhite Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, royal white said: I’ve heard some people say Dalglish was the best ever British player and I must say he’s in my top 5. And I’d have Rooney as Englands best ever. Dalglish is one of the best I have seen play live England strikers I think jimmy greaves record is the best 44 goals in 57 games goals ratio is unreal . Rooney is 53 goals and all time leading scorer but in 120 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Farnywhite said: Dalglish is one of the best I have seen play live England strikers I think jimmy greaves record is the best 44 goals in 57 games goals ratio is unreal . Rooney is 53 goals and all time leading scorer but in 120 games Don’t forget Sir Nats record! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnywhite Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, royal white said: Don’t forget Sir Nats record! Just had to check new it was good but 30 in 33 for England fantastic and 255 top flight goals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted August 2, 2022 Moderators Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Farnywhite said: Personally if we’re talking England I would say Gazza was the most gifted player to play for England . Greatest England player may be would have to say Bobby charlton . thinking about it Mathews and finney we’re probably a better talent than Gazza Most gifted or talented, maybe, that's different to bring a great for me Or being the greatest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Steejay said: My dad and grandad both said that, in their opinions, Finney was better than Matthews. But they also said that Duncan Edwards had the potential to be the best ever. My family's view also. Duncan Edwards was in the Bolton youth team, his uncle being our inside forward, Ray Westwood. Off with a flu virus Busby turned up at his parents house, paid them an illegal bribe & he signed for Stretford. Otherwise he'd have been our player, avoided the plane crash, won the World Cup and fulfilled a long, successful career. I blame Busby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowack Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 If I had a choice of only one England attacker, from the modern era, I think I would choose Shearer over both Gascoigne and Rooney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Before the Gary Charles tackle. It’s Gazza by a mile. After in my opinion he was never the same again. Fortunate enough to watch him live for England before hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.