Casino Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 trotter wanted allardyce out careful what yoiu wish for
Bridgey Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 Gartside should be brave and sack Megson today. His next phonecall should be to offer Jose Mourinho a 10 week contract with a bonus clause of ?2million should he keep us up. Everyone's a winner. We get a top class manager who can motivate the players and Mourinho gets ?2million for 10 weeks work. I know it's drastic but right now I feel like we have one foot already in the Championship. We'll lose a lot more than ?2million if we go down. Are you pissed ??
trotter58 Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 trotter wanted allardyce out careful what yoiu wish for You must be confusing me with someone who knows as little about football as you.
bolty58 Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 kin ell!!!! 5th in the conference! http://www.exetercityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/pa...,,10436,00.html I knew there'd be one Dave I almost covered it but thought 'nah, fook it'
bolty58 Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 But that would involve him actually having to present some facts to back up his 'opinions'. You'll need better bait than that son.
bolty58 Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 You must be confusing me with someone who knows as little about football as you. Seems to me that the first thing the knobheads on here do when they are clearly in the wrong is to accuse people of knowing nowt about football. It's a bit like using the word 'racist' - often the last refuge of the intellectually limited.
jules_darby Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 "Laying the foundations" for a manager to do a job is one thing. The manager doing his job and getting results on the football pitch is another thing. I still haven't heard one reason why Gartside should be given credit for the results on the football pitch. If Gartside "lays the foundations" for a garbage manager the results will be garbage.The results aren't to do with the foundations laid by the chairman but by the work of the football manager. It's clear that our relative success over the last few years hasn't been "despite" Gartside. The chairperson's decisions will have a knock on effect on every aspect of the club from the Academy to the first team, from the pies at half time to the ticket office. It's all reflective. Now, he hasn't got everything right, but what's most important to the majority of folk out there is results and how the first team does. And they've been doing well - hence a good job in general by Gartside. Why do you think that fans call for the chairperson's head when results aren't going their way?
Horwich Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 He's fucked up on a few things but most people do during their working life. He's done a decent enough job but If I was Eddie Davies I would have got rid.
Zico Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 He's fucked up on a few things but most people do during their working life. He's done a decent enough job but If I was Eddie Davies I would have got rid. on what basis? that you didn't get a cup final ticket?
frank_spencer Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 on what basis? that you didn't get a cup final ticket? I was more thinking the fact the queues are too long for a half time pint.
HuffyTheCampfireSlayer Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 (edited) on what basis? that you didn't get a cup final ticket? Well i think the lack of people in the ground should be a grave cause for concern for the chairman. that is certainly one area where gartside has not exactly excelled in his job. We are in the premiership (well for now anyway) and yet our average attendance has fallen drastically since we first got in, even though until this season we have gone from strength to strength. The reasons have been discussed many times on here and a lot of them do not take a genius to work most of them out. At least 2 years ago the upper management should have been working on this, reducing prices, finding out what the matchday experience problems were. but they haven't and altough now we are starting to react with the cheap euro tickets, it is too little too late if we go crashing out of the prem this year. not that i am calling for his head btw, just for him to pull his finger out and start doing what a chairman should do. drive the business to get the customers Edited March 5, 2008 by HuffyTheCampfireSlayer
frank_spencer Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Well i think the lack of people in the ground should be a grave cause for concern for the chairman. that is certainly one area where gartside has not exactly excelled in his job. We are in the premiership (well for now anyway) and yet our average attendance has fallen drastically since we first got in, even though until this season we have gone from strength to strength. The reasons have been discussed many times on here and a lot of them do not take a genius to work most of them out. At least 2 years ago the upper management should have been working on this, reducing prices, finding out what the matchday experience problems were. but they haven't and altough now we are starting to react with the cheap euro tickets, it is too little too late if we go crashing out of the prem this year. not that i am calling for his head btw, just for him to pull his finger out and start doing what a chairman should do. drive the business to get the customers the thing is for most premier league teams the things we suggest are not needed the problems are unique to Bolton and to be fair to fat phil he's making changes the maybe slow and behind time. My main fear is that now he's made a few games a fiver people will start to expect that to be the norm and it just isn't sustainable.
trotter58 Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Seems to me that the first thing the knobheads on here do when they are clearly in the wrong is to accuse people of knowing nowt about football. It's a bit like using the word 'racist' - often the last refuge of the intellectually limited. When you're in a hole it's probably best to stop digging.
Andybwfc Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 I have said it once and I will say it again! Appointing Megson was in anticipation of us getting relegated to the Championship! Megson at best is a Championship manager and at this rate he is a Blue Square Conference manager!
trotter58 Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Now, he hasn't got everything right, but what's most important to the majority of folk out there is results and how the first team does. And they've been doing well - hence a good job in general by Gartside. Doing a 'good job in general' isn't good enough. People like Gartside are paid to make big decisions. He f**ked up the only big decision he's had to make since Allardyce left. Simple as that. The job was an attractive one at the start of the season, if we go down it won't be.
frank_spencer Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 (edited) Doing a 'good job in general' isn't good enough. People like Gartside are paid to make big decisions. He f**ked up the only big decision he's had to make since Allardyce left. Simple as that. The job was an attractive one at the start of the season, if we go down it won't be. Was it? attractive to who? Even at the start of the season the caliber of manager we would attract was the same as when Lee left. We would've been looking at the Megsons, Souness, Warnocks etc. At the time appointing Lee seemed a good idea to many. No great change in coaching staff etc and as we all knew that Lee was in training to replace FSA at the end of Allardyces contract. Perhaps the appointment came a couple of years too early, perhaps he was never destined to be a manager we'll probably never know for sure. Edited March 5, 2008 by frank_spencer
Zico Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Doing a 'good job in general' isn't good enough. People like Gartside are paid to make big decisions. He f**ked up the only big decision he's had to make since Allardyce left. Simple as that. The job was an attractive one at the start of the season, if we go down it won't be. which was the only big decision? the appointment of lee? the appointement of megson? or the sale of anelka? presume you mean the mean appointment of Lee? I thought at the time Gartside made the right choice with Lee, trying to go for continuity knowing that Big Sam's departure would have a big impact, as it turns out, it wasn't as Lee turned out to be inadequate in many areas of the job, this was soon rectified though. though as you've branded Megson a failure with 10 games to go, am not sure, what f?ck up you're on about what about all the big decisions he made before alladyce left? these not matter now? why will the job not be attractive if we go down? we'll have a decent squad with plenty or premiership experience and a good opportunity to go back up and are you presuming megson will be sacked if we go down? who could/should we have attracted in the summer when the job was attractive? so many questions in your own time
tylswhite Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 If Megson would of been in charge from when Sammy Lee started we would be cruising in mid table now without doubt. Therefore if we go down it should signal the end for Gartside as he made the decision to bring in Sammy Lee and it was a very bad one which could cost the club Millions and set us back years, which in any business no matter how well youve done before that will result in the sack/departure.
trotter58 Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 (edited) what about all the big decisions he made before alladyce left? these not matter now? In a word, no. That's like saying we should retain our place in the Premier league because we did well in the last few seasons. Do you honestly think that we'll be left with a 'decent squad' if we go down? How many of the current first team will stick around on Championship wages? And if you're telling me that Megson with one failed season in the Premier League was the best a club with four consecutive top eight finishes, a world class striker on their books, a place in the UEFA Cup and money in the bank could do, then i'd say it's further evidence that Gartside's time is up. Edited March 5, 2008 by trotter58
jules_darby Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 In a word, no. That's like saying we should retain our place in the Premier league because we did well in the last few seasons. Do you honestly think that we'll be left with a 'decent squad' if we go down? How many of the current first team will stick around on Championship wages? And if you're telling me that Megson with one failed season in the Premier League was the best a club with four consecutive top eight finishes, a world class striker on their books, a place in the UEFA Cup and money in the bank could do, then i'd say it's further evidence that Gartside's time is up. A team that was placed where in the league when he took over?
jules_darby Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 The answer for us down the years is that our Chairmen have either appointed bad managers or not invested enough money.The problem i have with Gartside is that he isn't a seriously rich man and can't get the owner to spend serious money.Smaller clubs than us in Wigan and Fulham established themselves in the PL due to the money of wealthy Chairmen,Middlesbrough won their first trophy thanks to a wealthy Chairman. The best Chairmen are the ones that provide deep funds to propel their club up the table. Gartside is probably a good administrator ( though getting worse crowds than Blackburn should embarrass him) but i think there are hundreds if not thousands of competent accountants/administrators who could do a similar job. You're missing one thing: I'm afraid that investing money is not a Chairman's job.
DirtySanchez Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 The best Chairmen are the ones that provide deep funds to propel their club up the table. Peter Risdale?
trotter58 Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 A team that was placed where in the league when he took over? Are you actually attacking or defending Gartside?
jules_darby Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Are you actually attacking or defending Gartside? I'd say giving a balanced view: Attacking him for appointing Lee, then defending him for getting rid. As for the Megson appointment, it's too early to say. For his many years as Chairman - defending him, looking at where we came from to where we are now. Are you attacking him? when you mentioned "a club with four consecutive top eight finishes, a world class striker on their books, a place in the UEFA Cup and money in the bank" - sounds like praise to me
trotter58 Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 Are you attacking him? when you mentioned "a club with four consecutive top eight finishes, a world class striker on their books, a place in the UEFA Cup and money in the bank" - sounds like praise to me Turning it all to shit in the space of a season deserves no praise. Past glories won't do anything to keep us up.
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