bolty58 Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 How many times do folk have to see what management upheaval does to a team before they realise continuity is the key? You only have to look at the 3 longest serving managers in the PL are and the formula for success is plain to see (Ferguson-Wenger-Moyes). Not suggesting Megson is the long term solution mind. Can't believe anyone would be thick enough to suggest we sack the manager with 10 games to go. If you want to see what happens to a club which regularly changes its manager, have a look at St James Park.
Spider Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 No need for name calling, it was just a thought. Unfortunately our fantastic Chairman will almost certainly think like you and will lead the way to the Championship. Sometimes in life you need to be brave, keeping Megson is the easy option here. One that will cost us. Grow up you f?cking tart. And don't send PM's whinging like a scouser. Sometimes in life you need to know when you're being ridiculous. This is one of those times.
BWFC_LOVE Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 Not only is this the most ridiculous thread I've ever seen, Mourinho isn't even applicable to manage an English club until next season. It's in his contract.
bolty58 Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 Unfortunately our fantastic Chairman So you're one of the anti Gartside ones too eh? I don't get it. Best chairman at BWFC in living memory and has been reflected in our league position. Presumably, you want him out and someone else in? Based on your managerial proposal, can you exert any influence on Roman Abramovich
fester58 Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 So you're one of the anti Gartside ones too eh? I don't get it. Best chairman at BWFC in living memory and has been reflected in our league position. Presumably, you want him out and someone else in? Based on your managerial proposal, can you exert any influence on Roman Abramovich iam on of the anti gartside bolty,he's only interested in his place on the f.a./premier league board now, his ego is as big as f.s.a. in the past he did well for us but not now.
bolty58 Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 I would be pleasantly surprised if bolty could list every Bolton chairman since the war,let alone describe why each one was worse than the man who appointed Sammy Lee. Oh do fook off George - I would be more interested in post 1960. Many of them were Warburtons and, as we all know, we did fook all under them. I can tell you why each one was worse than Garty though - please list the relative successes of these chairmen a staple derusting trainspotter like you could possibly name. I would be greatly surprised if you could prove to me that any chairman since 1960 has had a greater impact on BWFC than Garty has.
bolty58 Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 I am not surprised that you failed to answer my request,I am one of the few people that answer direct questions when asked them on here.Telling me to fook off because you don't like what i ask is a bit childish.The Chairman has nothing to do with what happens on the football pitch in my opinion.Allardyce was a very good manager who got high league positions,Lee was garbage and had the same team (mostly) bottom of the table.Gartside was the same chairman for both managers so how people can give him credit for Allardyce's high league positions is beyond me.It was Allardyce's work that had us high in the table. To form an opinion on who the best Chairman was would require having an interest in the business side of the club,i don't have any interest in how much money the club make other than transfer deals,so have no interest/opinion on who was the best Chairman.But the statement that Gartside was the best in living memory puzzled me when he was the one that appointed Lee. You just contradicted yourself. If he deserves reprimanding for appointing Lee then you must also give him the credit for appointing Allardyce. You can't have it both ways. You fail to answer my direct question about the relative merits of post 1960 chairmen. That's because you know I am right. Phil Gartside has presided over the best period in the clubs history post 1960. Am I right or am I right? Anyway, just fook off :p
revdishydave Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 How many times do folk have to see what management upheaval does to a team before they realise continuity is the key? You only have to look at the 3 longest serving managers in the PL are and the formula for success is plain to see (Ferguson-Wenger-Moyes). Not suggesting Megson is the long term solution mind.Can't believe anyone would be thick enough to suggest we sack the manager with 10 games to go. If you want to see what happens to a club which regularly changes its manager, have a look at St James Park. kin ell!!!! 5th in the conference! http://www.exetercityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/pa...,,10436,00.html
jules_darby Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 The Chairman has nothing to do with what happens on the football pitch in my opinion . Unless you're talking in the very, very short-term that is ridiculous.
Ratwhite Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 (edited) Gartside should be brave and sack Megson today. His next phonecall should be to offer Jose Mourinho a 10 week contract with a bonus clause of ?2million should he keep us up. Everyone's a winner. We get a top class manager who can motivate the players and Mourinho gets ?2million for 10 weeks work. I know it's drastic but right now I feel like we have one foot already in the Championship. We'll lose a lot more than ?2million if we go down. F**k me!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the best one i've seen for a while Edited March 4, 2008 by Ratwhite
Guest Muzzle Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 Didn't want Megson, but we have him so might as well keep him till end of season...but I would get rid of him if we either stay up or go down.....as our Chairman said when he appointed, I only have to look at his record as a manager....!
trotter58 Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 I would be pleasantly surprised if bolty could list every Bolton chairman since the war,let alone describe why each one was worse than the man who appointed Sammy Lee. But that would involve him actually having to present some facts to back up his 'opinions'.
jules_darby Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 But that would involve him actually having to present some facts to back up his 'opinions'. You & especially George forget that facts alone mean nothing - hmmm....
Burndens Bogs Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 There has been no Bolton chairman achieved more than Gartside in my years of following BWFC (1965) FACT
Garrp Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 I'm no good at mind reading. Which part of Bolton's results on the football pitch were down to Gartside and not Allardyce's management of the football team? We wouldn't of got those results without Fatty's massive backroom team, Fatty said Gartside let him assemble this team, which he didn't think many other chairmen would.
frank_spencer Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 I'm no good at mind reading. Which part of Bolton's results on the football pitch were down to Gartside and not Allardyce's management of the football team? Allardyces appointment, The backing of allardyce to fund such a huge backroom staff paying the not inconsiderable wages of top foreigners supposedly past their best (JJ, Youri, Campo etc). Allowing allardyce to use a previously untapped international backwaters like Israel (TBH), Iran (Andranik), Tunisia (Jaidi) etc which seems common place now but FSA was one of the first to utilise such players. Getting the club to a financial situation to pay decent wages to attract players to the club. there's many more to list perhaps if i get mbored tonight i may carry on but Gartside has had a big part to play in where BWFC are now.
Zico Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 (edited) I'm no good at mind reading. Which part of Bolton's results on the football pitch were down to Gartside and not Allardyce's management of the football team? 10 year contract employ who you need run football things as you see best no crisis talks / votes of confidence / etc when struggling in first couple of years and for example our 6 defeats in a row no meddling doing all that whilst at the same time ensuring the club doesn't repeat it's mistakes of the past and spunk money left right and centre and ensure the club is ran with a view to clearing the debt, not increasing it it's not all about big sam as he found out at newcastle Edited March 4, 2008 by ZicoKelly
trotter58 Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 10 year contract employ who you need run football things as you see best no crisis talks / votes of confidence / etc when struggling in first couple of years and for example our 6 defeats in a row no meddling doing all that whilst at the same time ensuring the club doesn't repeat it's mistakes of the past and spunk money left right and centre and ensure the club is ran with a view to clearing the debt, not increasing it it's not all about big sam as he found out at newcastle And putting the foundations in place for the manager means nothing if you then employ someone with Megson's track record and sell the star striker without bringing in a replacement. There's no point in building up a club over the a number of years if you then f**k it all up within the space of a season. Appointing a new manager is the biggest test Gartside has faced since he first appointed Allardyce and he failed. Twice.
tyldesley_white Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 And putting the foundations in place for the manager means nothing if you then employ someone with Megson's track record and sell the star striker without bringing in a replacement. There's no point in building up a club over the a number of years if you then f**k it all up within the space of a season. Appointing a new manager is the biggest test Gartside has faced since he first appointed Allardyce and he failed. Twice. Hes failed once, we will have to wait until the end of the season to see IF hes done it twice
frank_spencer Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 And putting the foundations in place for the manager means nothing if you then employ someone with Megson's track record and sell the star striker without bringing in a replacement. There's no point in building up a club over the a number of years if you then f**k it all up within the space of a season. Appointing a new manager is the biggest test Gartside has faced since he first appointed Allardyce and he failed. Twice. Really? do you not think that barring the lack of a goal scorer we look better now than under sammy lee? who would you have liked us to appoint? it's all about realism, something which seems lacking in a few BWFC fans at the moment, we are a small club, we have been punching way above our weight in recent years.Wwe have been in decline since january 2007, whilst the fat one was still here, we looked to be improving noe following a couple of bad results against decent sides and the end is nigh again.
Zico Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 And putting the foundations in place for the manager means nothing if you then employ someone with Megson's track record and sell the star striker without bringing in a replacement. There's no point in building up a club over the a number of years if you then f**k it all up within the space of a season. Appointing a new manager is the biggest test Gartside has faced since he first appointed Allardyce and he failed. Twice. well, I think the foundations were sort of ripped apart by big sam when he took all his staff with him he's not failed with the megson appointment yet, given there are ten games to go megson's record isn't that bad, the last two results were not that good the striker scenario, well, who knows what they did to try and entice a good striker to the club (Gudjohnsen if you believe the stories), but it seems to me they had a choice to make, keep anelka and make do with the defence / midfield we had, or sell him and strengthen in other areas with the introduction of cahill/steinsson/taylor - whether this works out for us will become apparent in another 10 games on the euro front, Megson is better than Alladyce, so some credit for that? we're all worried, but you're talking sh?te if you're saying now, with over a quarter of the season to go that Megson and therefore Gartside has failed feel free to say I told you so if it all does go wrong, but till then, f?ck off
M G WHITES Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 but you're talking sh?te if you're saying now, with over a quarter of the season to go that Megson and therefore Gartside has failed feel free to say I told you so if it all does go wrong, but till then, f?ck off Well said, like you said we are all worried but let's all look forward to thursday, and give sporting a dam good beating.
trotter58 Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 it seems to me they had a choice to make, keep anelka and make do with the defence / midfield we had, or sell him and strengthen in other areas with the introduction of cahill/steinsson/taylor Now you're talking shite because according to Gartside we haven't yet touched the money we got for Anelka.
Zico Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 Now you're talking shite because according to Gartside we haven't yet touched the money we got for Anelka. thats why I said "seems to me" have learnt over time not to believe everything that the club say it seems they tried to get replacement strikers in and didn't, so got rasiak it seems you're happy to label megson a failure with 1/4 of the season to go etc
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