July 16, 200818 yr "He hasn't done anything wrong, he just turns up for his work. He just doesn't fit the bill, that is what it comes down to." Yes, he has. He's eaten too much. They claim he could have been moved What, to an area that needs fat firemen? Or maybe to an area that only has small bungalows so he won't over-exert himself. Unions are run by nobbers FACT!
July 16, 200818 yr Firefighters have agreed to ballot for strike action over the sacking of a colleague who management decided was overweight and not fit for duty. Kevin Ogilvie was dismissed by Grampian Fire and Rescue after 22 years, on the grounds he posed a safety risk Now, I think that if he isn't fit enough, then yes he should be sacked or at the very least, moved to some other department within the service. Obviously, we want all our firemen to be able to rescue us, and not put themselves or others in danger. The thing that puzzles me, is that he can't have just got a bit plump overnight - surely firemen are assessed on a regular basis, and if they are getting close to turning into a lardy fat f?cker, then they are warned about it. Then, if they get a warning, they should be monitored on a weekly basis - if they don't sort themselves out then get rid. Of course, this probably doesn't happen, but I'll be interested to see what our friendly neighbourhood Fireman says about this.
July 16, 200818 yr They are monitored regularly, but the day you can't fit through the hole in the ground to slide down the pole, is your last day on the job!
July 16, 200818 yr Er, maybe I'm slightly the wrong side of a chip butty to be saying too much on this subject but here goes anyway; What a 22 year fireman loses in fitness, he gains in experience. Meaning that, rather than run around like a headless chicken on a job, as most 'younger end' often do, an experienced bloke would walk calmly to the objective, do the job that needs doing, walk calmly away without so much as breaking into a sweat. As it happens, at least when I fasten my chin strap I place it under my chin. This guy could perm any one from four!
July 16, 200818 yr What a 22 year fireman loses in fitness, he gains in experience. Meaning that, rather than run around like a headless chicken on a job, as most 'younger end' often do, an experienced bloke would walk calmly to the objective, do the job that needs doing, walk calmly away without so much as breaking into a sweat. nope, just can't see that not happening
July 16, 200818 yr nope, just can't see that not happening No neither can I really but you get the drift?
July 16, 200818 yr What, to an area that needs fat firemen? Or maybe to an area that only has small bungalows so he won't over-exert himself. Office work was what I think they were referring to.
July 16, 200818 yr Office work was what I think they were referring to. Then he's not a fireman then. Why should he be given a stamplickers job automatically? Surely he's had warnings for his constant pie eating previously.
July 16, 200818 yr They could use him instead of the safety net for when someone needs to jump out of a burning building and need a soft landing.
July 16, 200818 yr Er, maybe I'm slightly the wrong side of a chip butty to be saying too much on this subject but here goes anyway; What a 22 year fireman loses in fitness, he gains in experience. Meaning that, rather than run around like a headless chicken on a job, as most 'younger end' often do, an experienced bloke would walk calmly to the objective, do the job that needs doing, walk calmly away without so much as breaking into a sweat. As it happens, at least when I fasten my chin strap I place it under my chin. This guy could perm any one from four! Unless he's mastered the art of levitating people out of burning buildings, his 22 years of experience ain't much use to me if I'm stuck on th third floor of a burning building and he can't get his lardy arse up a ladder.
July 16, 200818 yr It makes you wonder how he got to that size, what with all that sitting about in the station, playing cards, watching Sky Sports, waiting for a cat to get stuck in a tree or sommat.
July 16, 200818 yr And to cap it all he's fcuking ginger so his chances of finding another job are nil
July 16, 200818 yr And to cap it all he's fcuking ginger so his chances of finding another job are nil Actually, for once, you're right. Tashes are wrong but ginger ones, well, the bloke gets everything he deserves.
July 16, 200818 yr 22 years service and being sacked for being overweight is a f ucking joke, would not have happened 20 years since.gary nevilleS.
July 16, 200818 yr Er, maybe I'm slightly the wrong side of a chip butty to be saying too much on this subject but here goes anyway; What a 22 year fireman loses in fitness, he gains in experience. Meaning that, rather than run around like a headless chicken on a job, as most 'younger end' often do, an experienced bloke would walk calmly to the objective, do the job that needs doing, walk calmly away without so much as breaking into a sweat. As it happens, at least when I fasten my chin strap I place it under my chin. This guy could perm any one from four! Are you saying that the fire service sends it's staff without adequate training into life or death situations?
July 16, 200818 yr No. Are you? Do you know anything about the fire service? Or do you sit with your feet under a desk and the biggest risk to your health is stabbing yourself with a paperclip? I actually resent your inference Carlos. A lad on my watch lies in hospital at Withington with 50% burns. It's quite likely he won't ever return to his job. Why? Because he was doing the job he loved. Because some family in Great Lever needed him to take a risk to try to save their lives. A risk he was willing to take but which ultimately landed him in that hospital bed. Don't talk to me about life and death situations. You'd never understand.
July 16, 200818 yr You said they were running round like headless chickens, not me. Feel free to retract that if you wish.
July 16, 200818 yr I was comparing a 22 year fireman to a six month fireman. 22 year firemen don't get the same 'excitement' as a new guy. It wears off after a while.
July 16, 200818 yr No. Are you? Do you know anything about the fire service? Or do you sit with your feet under a desk and the biggest risk to your health is stabbing yourself with a paperclip? I actually resent your inference Carlos. A lad on my watch lies in hospital at Withington with 50% burns. It's quite likely he won't ever return to his job. Why? Because he was doing the job he loved. Because some family in Great Lever needed him to take a risk to try to save their lives. A risk he was willing to take but which ultimately landed him in that hospital bed. Don't talk to me about life and death situations. You'd never understand. You know what Micky, you'd struggle to find anyone who didnt have the upmost respect for firebobbies. I wouldnt do it for a gold dog. But a lot of that respect was lost when that union c?nt got involved and some of the muppets followed. As for this fella, I bet they wouldnt have got shut if he injured himself at work and couldn't perform frontline duties. They'd have found sommat then for him. And perish the thought if he was a she. Or gay. Or Black. But a fat whiteman, well.........
July 16, 200818 yr Exactamundo! Unfortunately political correctness and it's all embracing shadow prevents me from further comment.
July 16, 200818 yr I was comparing a 22 year fireman to a six month fireman. 22 year firemen don't get the same 'excitement' as a new guy. It wears off after a while. I can well imagine, but surely part of the training is exactly that; dealing with the fact you are inexperienced? Back to the point in question, I don't think that experience is any replacement for being 10 stone overweight in your line of work. I can't see how anyone can defend the bloke.
July 16, 200818 yr I can well imagine, but surely part of the training is exactly that; dealing with the fact you are inexperienced? Back to the point in question, I don't think that experience is any replacement for being 10 stone overweight in your line of work. I can't see how anyone can defend the bloke. loose his job on the front line - yes loose his job all together? nope but he should have been warned proir to being laid off that his weight was harming his career.
July 16, 200818 yr I can well imagine, but surely part of the training is exactly that; dealing with the fact you are inexperienced? Back to the point in question, I don't think that experience is any replacement for being 10 stone overweight in your line of work. I can't see how anyone can defend the bloke. What if she was 11 stone but smoked 60 a day and couldn't climb a ladder without huffing and puffing. Or he had a drug/alcohol problem? I can understand that he could be a H&S risk but so is someone in a wheelchair, and I bet there is someone in the fire service in one of those.