HomerJay Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 i dont agree with this overly cautious crap. its snowballing hearsay imo. we had enough chances to win the game on sat, whilst being reasonably solid (robert header aside). our fullbacks get forward more than they ever have in recent seasons. but to get fullbacks forward, 1 or 2 must be prepare to be disciplined im midfield.
Horwich Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Overall Taylor and Nolan have decent enough records at scoring from midfield. Muamba's record is very poor but if he is playing the holding role then it doesnt bother me too much. Joey Obrien couldnt score in a brothel (Doesnt get forward that much - Holding) Neither could Gardner Dont think Davies scores many from Midfield McCann's record is poor. Our defence rarely chip in with a goal. 2 this season which is a bonus, but not many in the last 50 games. Elmander - Not a massive fan of his but its still very early days. If you play 4-5-1 you need goals from all over the pitch. I dont think we have the players to do that.
bolty58 Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 All this about teams setting up to not lose. Every team in the league does it apart from the top 4, at least until they are safe from relegation. We drew at home to Blackburn its not the end of the world, if we can get something at Spurs weve got a little run going and confidence will build. Everton and Wigan are on the same points as us and i dont see them panicking like some of the people on here are. Panicking? Me? I haven't seen anyone panicking. Go back and read Zicos last post on the subject. Disappointment, not panic.
Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Will people stop saying that the manager is too negative. One person said it and the rest are following like sheep. Give him a chance FFS No! I paid my whack on Saturday and saw a very negative performance from the home side, in front of a larger than normal crowd, in a local Derby coming off a decent away win. If this match had been an end of the season game when we were scrapping for the odd point to avoid relegation then perhaps it could be understood. This was an opportunity for the home side to stamp their authority on the game and put the opposition under pressure. The reason the defence looks better is that the midfield are by and large set up not to concede by staying back to help them. The performance was devoid of ambition. That is Megsons fault, he is Championship quality.
frank_spencer Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 No! I paid my whack on Saturday and saw a very negative performance from the home side, in front of a larger than normal crowd, in a local Derby coming off a decent away win. If this match had been an end of the season game when we were scrapping for the odd point to avoid relegation then perhaps it could be understood. This was an opportunity for the home side to stamp their authority on the game and put the opposition under pressure. The reason the defence looks better is that the midfield are by and large set up not to concede by staying back to help them. The performance was devoid of ambition. That is Megsons fault, he is Championship quality. aye megson never wants to win a game ever?
bolty58 Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 aye megson never wants to win a game ever? I'm with BGOE. Megson wants to 'not lose' a lot more than he wants to win. His whole game plan.
Zico Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 we had enough chances to win the game on sat, whilst being reasonably solid (robert header aside). did we though? I only recall Taylor's overhit freekick that nearly caught everyone out and his shot against the post as anything resembling a chance don't recall Robinson having a save to make (bar the free kick one, which wasn't 'a shot, they all count, but it wasn't a shot) don't recall getting behind them once and whipping a cross in loads of corners, but half the time we might as well pass it back to their keeper or wait for ref to blow for a foul
frank_spencer Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 I'm with BGOE. Megson wants to 'not lose' a lot more than he wants to win. His whole game plan. as has been said before it's the same outlook of about 14 other premier league managers. megson's starting 11 on saturday should've scored (Elmander, Davies, Nolan and Taylor are all more than capable of scoring 10+ goals a season), megson said that at half time he had a go at them for not attacking more in the 2nd we looked much more dangerous but Blackburn made no real attempt to attack so it was a hard slog. At full time we had 3 men up top my only critisim i can have of megson is that his introduction of that extra attacker came a touch too late for me. but then again he took off taylor who was our biggest goal threat all game.
frank_spencer Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 did we though? I only recall Taylor's overhit freekick that nearly caught everyone out and his shot against the post as anything resembling a chance don't recall Robinson having a save to make (bar the free kick one, which wasn't 'a shot, they all count, but it wasn't a shot) don't recall getting behind them once and whipping a cross in loads of corners, but half the time we might as well pass it back to their keeper or wait for ref to blow for a foul granted we didn't test blobbo as much as i would've liked but elmander over the bar when he should've done much better AOB's header Nolan, muamba and McCann had poor shot's that they should've done better with. JLS blazed over the bar a few crosses were put in by steinsson, davo, taylor and JLS but no fecker got on the end of em
Horwich Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Thats stuff that happens in every game up and down the country. Its upto our players to test their keeper. It didnt happen on Saturday. Spazzy Darren could have been in the nets for t'rovers and it still would have been 0-0
Tyler Durden Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Its upto our players to test their keeper
Tyler Durden Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 I was agreeing that the players are the ones who have to take chances. If we were taking the chances, perhaps the manager wouldn't be taking as much flak.
Arnold Jackson Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 our players All very well blaming the players for not scoring Tyler. Gary Megson seems to be of the same opinion as you and thinks this is the problem also [ if I'm correct in assuming this was your point ] Let me ask you a question though. If Gary Megson buys and then picks a player and the system of play... tells him to score if he can. Is it fair to blame that player for not being good enough to do so at the level he is now playing at? My answer... Not at all!
Horwich Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 I was agreeing that the players are the ones who have to take chances. If we were taking the chances, perhaps the manager wouldn't be taking as much flak. My point is that I dont think we have the right players to take/score the chances.
Ani Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 we are currently third favourites to go down which shows that megson has not convinced a lot of people we are going in the right way. on saturday his substiutions made us more likely to get beat, once we went to 4 4 2 blackburn ran the game. elmander is looking a helluva lot of money for not very nuch so far. i know he has had injuries but he just does not get in the game enough.
Arnold Jackson Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 My point is that I dont think we have the right players to take/score the chances. My point too I think it's ok for us fans to have a go at players for missing chances but it always strikes me as a little bit of a 'cop out' when the manager says thats all we are missing. It implies he is getting everything right but they don't do their job correctly. The boss needs to hire n fire the correct people. Soon Gary Megson will have been at the club long enough that he should have hired or kept all the people in his judgement that could score those goals. Too many of our team will have less than 2-3 goals at the end of the season.
Tyler Durden Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Is it fair to blame that player for not being good enough to do so Yes. The players are all good enough to play at this level, they've all played at this level or even higher before and alot play international football. They are on the pitch, they should take some responsibility if they aren't doing their job properly.
frank_spencer Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 elmander is looking a helluva lot of money for not very nuch so far. i know he has had injuries but he just does not get in the game enough. he's 3 games into his wanderers career, he looked class against stoke, picked up an injury and is trying to fit in. to judge him now is a bit harsh, how long did anelka take to settle?
george Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 elmander is looking a helluva lot of money for not very nuch so far. i know he has had injuries but he just does not get in the game enough. I agree.Without improving the midfield we needed a striker who can make things happen,not one who waits for the midfield to make things happen.
frank_spencer Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 I agree.Without improving the midfield we needed a striker who can make things happen,not one who waits for the midfield to make things happen. sorry i was wrong i agree with George after 3 games i've decided he's not good enough.
george Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 sorry i was wrong i agree with George after 3 games i've decided he's not good enough. Of our 4 best strikers in recent times he doesn't have the touch of Walker or the pace/strength of Ricketts or pace/class of Anelka,he isn't going to develop that at his age. Perhaps he is a top class finisher and can be another John McGinlay,i hope he is. nb I haven't forgotten Gudjohnsen,i didn't rate him as highly as the others in a Bolton shirt.
frank_spencer Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Of our 4 best strikers in recent times he doesn't have the touch of Walker or the pace/strength of Ricketts or pace/class of Anelka,he isn't going to develop that at his age.Perhaps he is a top class finisher and can be another John McGinlay,i hope he is. nb I haven't forgotten Gudjohnsen,i didn't rate him as highly as the others in a Bolton shirt. against stoke his touch was 1st class i'll give him a run 10 games before i decide whether he's rubbish or not. so come back to me after chelsea and it'd probably be fair to judge him then.
exiledwhite2 Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Yes. The players are all good enough to play at this level, they've all played at this level or even higher before and alot play international football. They are on the pitch, they should take some responsibility if they aren't doing their job properly. The balance of the team is wrong. When he picks sides containing JOB, McCann, Muamba, Davies, Gardner, Nolan as a front six that is PAINFULLY shy of goals. And he has picked that side this season, more than once I think. Elmander and Taylor in for Gardner and JOB is a step in the right direction but it's still too little. At home, put Smolarek / Riga in for McCann and I'd be happy. Whatever he does with the formation he needs more ammunition in the team. I don't understand the hyper-sensitivity about this. Megson is playing too conservatively, that's all there is to it. It's hardly a new criticism is it? He's got a track record for negativity.
Zico Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 I don't understand the hyper-sensitivity about this. Megson is playing too conservatively, that's all there is to it. It's hardly a new criticism is it? He's got a track record for negativity. correct and whilst there are those who want megson out at any given opportunity, there are those who will leap to his "defence" at the mere mention he may be a little boring and start banging on about how it could be worse etc etc think this thread is mainly the latter v the ones who were a bit bored/frustrated on saturday which is not the real argument anyway
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