adambwfc Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 What is it with this McCann bashing? He's been FAR better than Muamba since the start of this season, some of the tackles he made were phenomenal on Sat'day and but for the one poor pass to Gardner his passing was much better than Muambas. For me at home it should be Taylor/Riga-McCann-Nolan-Gardner/Taylor, at least until Muamba learns how to pass! Also, Megson is gonna have good games and bad games, and good spells and bad spells (bit like Allardyces annual 6 game shitefest.) I agree the weekend was poor football, but if Taylor's shot had just crept in or O'Brien's head had been a couple of inches further forward, we'd have probably held on for a win. I know maybe peope won't want to see this football, but at least give him til the end of November to get towards his goals for the team and the players.
magic legs Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 I don't know why Andy O'Brien goes up for corners. He took his eyes off the ball twice on Saturday when a decent contact would have yielded a goal. Jussi would probably do better.
Tombwfc Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 which makes it frustrating when you see us do alright against arse and utd, get the result at west ham, you think "right, should be able to get something off blackburn then" and then we don't because we don't go for them when they are there for the taking You could apply that to numerous points of the last eight years though. Allardyce, Megson, whatever, we've always been shite at putting away shite teams (especially Blackburn as it happens, i remember a few years ago a game Vs Blackburn at the Reebok which made last Saturday look like Holland vs Brazil). It is frustrating, but i find it hard to be all that arsed when it happens every season. Just for the people banging on that we don't score enough goals, theres plenty of sides who've scored the same or less goals than we have this season (6, only one of which is in the bottom three as it happens). Also, Wigan, who some people hold up as the most exciting attacking team on planet earth, have only scored three times more than we have. And five of them were in one game. As much as i'd love us to be scoring more, we're not exactly being left behind by free-scoring clubs around us.
Ani Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 he's 3 games into his wanderers career, he looked class against stoke, picked up an injury and is trying to fit in. to judge him now is a bit harsh, how long did anelka take to settle? he has played 5 games....to be pedantic ! i missed the stoke game so will take your word for it, for the money we paid i expected a lot more than i have seen so far. he has nt done anything wrong and is nt a donkey but in the games i have seen him arse, jackburn and west ham (on telly) has not done much. i am not judging him what i am saying from what we have seen it look a lot of money. (a lot of money might be the going rate for such a player these days)
Tombwfc Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 (edited) Goals in Anelkas first five league games' = 0 Goals in Elmanders first five league games' = 1 And Anelka wasn't new to this country and didn't get injured. Edited October 21, 2008 by Tombwfc
globaldiver Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 he has played 5 games....to be pedantic ! i missed the stoke game so will take your word for it, for the money we paid i expected a lot more than i have seen so far. he has nt done anything wrong and is nt a donkey but in the games i have seen him arse, jackburn and west ham (on telly) has not done much. i am not judging him what i am saying from what we have seen it look a lot of money. (a lot of money might be the going rate for such a player these days) To be accurate, he has played 297 minutes, which is under 3 1/2 games
bristol_wanderer Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 The balance of the team is wrong. When he picks sides containing JOB, McCann, Muamba, Davies, Gardner, Nolan as a front six that is PAINFULLY shy of goals. And he has picked that side this season, more than once I think. Elmander and Taylor in for Gardner and JOB is a step in the right direction but it's still too little. At home, put Smolarek / Riga in for McCann and I'd be happy. Whatever he does with the formation he needs more ammunition in the team. I don't understand the hyper-sensitivity about this. Megson is playing too conservatively, that's all there is to it. It's hardly a new criticism is it? He's got a track record for negativity. Fundamentally I agree with that. For the games against WBA and Fulham the team selection was wrong and we had no creativity and very little finishing potential on the pitch. Neither JOB, McCann, Muamba nor Gardner create or score goals. And Nolan and Davies don't create but can occasionally finish. How Megson could pick that team and expect to score a goal, let alone win the games is totally beyond me. Those games told us, as many of his team selections last season did, that Megson sees something different to many others, which precludes him from picking creative and forward thinking players - to me this is a weakness in his management. However, the team he picked on Saturday was perfectly sensible given the West Ham result. As previously said Taylor, Nolan, Davies and Elmander have goals in them, even if there is little creativity there - and we don't have a proven playmaker who is better than them, even if Riga does show promise. We just need to hope he signs a creative player from the money he has in January - then it will be hard for him to leave that player out. I just hope he doesn't consider Harper a creative player.
Casino Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 Fundamentally I agree with that. For the games against WBA and Fulham the team selection was wrong and we had no creativity and very little finishing potential on the pitch. Neither JOB, McCann, Muamba nor Gardner create or score goals. And Nolan and Davies don't create but can occasionally finish. How Megson could pick that team and expect to score a goal, let alone win the games is totally beyond me. Those games told us, as many of his team selections last season did, that Megson sees something different to many others, which precludes him from picking creative and forward thinking players - to me this is a weakness in his management. However, the team he picked on Saturday was perfectly sensible given the West Ham result. As previously said Taylor, Nolan, Davies and Elmander have goals in them, even if there is little creativity there - and we don't have a proven playmaker who is better than them, even if Riga does show promise. We just need to hope he signs a creative player from the money he has in January - then it will be hard for him to leave that player out. I just hope he doesn't consider Harper a creative player. as we've discussed at length it was his opinion that we didn't have any alternatives as soon as he had options, hes used 'em
mart32 Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 The result was the worst display I have seen in at least five years at the Reebok. I took my dad. He's a big football fan. Half way through the second half he turned to me and said, "don't ever bring me here again". I couldn't blame him. What stood out for me was the lack of any class on the pitch. Over the last five years I have had the pleasure of watching Djorkief, Okacha, Campo, Hierro, Stelios, Nakata, Gardner and Diouf produce bits of magic that often got us great results against "bigger" teams. Those players represented Sam's philosphy that, even if you were playing direct physical football, you still needed class players. I always used to think that if you gave Sam 10K to buy a car he'd always buy an old Bentley over a new Nissan Micra. But Megson is the absolute opposite. Saturday's team reflected the new manager. It was meat and potatoes, missionary position with the lights out, Ford Mondeo 1.6GLX, semi-detached, Jacob's Creek, sliced white bread football. Solid reliable mediocrity. This was posted on another forum about the Blackburn match, sums it all
Gaz Nt Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 I don't know why Andy O'Brien goes up for corners. He took his eyes off the ball twice on Saturday when a decent contact would have yielded a goal. Jussi would probably do better. Bring back Jaidi!!
magic legs Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 The result was the worst display I have seen in at least five years at the Reebok. It still wasn't half as bad as the performance at Fulham.
Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 What stood out for me was the lack of any class on the pitch. Over the last five years I have had the pleasure of watching Djorkief, Okacha, Campo, Hierro, Stelios, Nakata, Gardner and Diouf produce bits of magic that often got us great results against "bigger" teams. Those players represented Sam's philosphy that, even if you were playing direct physical football, you still needed class players. missionary position with the lights out
no balls Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 Those players represented Sam's philosphy Please, can we all move on?
Tyler Durden Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 FFS, Allardyce's philosophy was to get points at any cost. Those players were available and he did amazingly well to sign them and they worked. When the signings dried up, his philosophy was the same - get points however we can, and it still worked, just not as prettily. Sam Allardyce did very well for Bolton Wanderers. But Bolton Wanderers did very well for Sam Allardyce too. He's gone, move on.
tylswhite Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 People who keep mentioning these class players we need and the ones we used to have. You tell us who to get and how much do you think theyd cost us. Football has changed.
frank_spencer Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 People who keep mentioning these class players we need and the ones we used to have. You tell us who to get and how much do you think theyd cost us. Football has changed. oi stop being realistic! since Nakata (who couldn't hack it in the prem) sam's wonder name signings have been? ~i'm excluding Anelka as he cost us 8m quid and wasn't one of sam's bargains~
Tombwfc Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 Forgetting the fact that these players don't exist anymore, the idea that we were entertaining the pants off the league with our attacking football is complete bollocks to start with. I was happy because i only turn up to see us win, but if anyone thinks that Sam was arsed about anything other than winning at all costs then their memory has gone. People seem to think that all we used to have Okocha and Djorkaeff playing total football and dancing around teams every week. Which granted they did on rare occaisons. But if you turned up at the Reebok every week you were far more likely to see one of the worlds most gifted footballers turned into nowt more than a Rory Delap-style throw in merchant than see him pull off some awe-inspiring bit of skill. I was disapointed on Saturday, but lets not kid ourselves that those types of games didn't happen under Allardyce.
Mounts Kipper Posted October 23, 2008 Author Posted October 23, 2008 The result was the worst display I have seen in at least five years at the Reebok. I took my dad. He's a big football fan. Half way through the second half he turned to me and said, "don't ever bring me here again". I couldn't blame him. What stood out for me was the lack of any class on the pitch. Over the last five years I have had the pleasure of watching Djorkief, Okacha, Campo, Hierro, Stelios, Nakata, Gardner and Diouf produce bits of magic that often got us great results against "bigger" teams. Those players represented Sam's philosphy that, even if you were playing direct physical football, you still needed class players. I always used to think that if you gave Sam 10K to buy a car he'd always buy an old Bentley over a new Nissan Micra. But Megson is the absolute opposite. Saturday's team reflected the new manager. It was meat and potatoes, missionary position with the lights out, Ford Mondeo 1.6GLX, semi-detached, Jacob's Creek, sliced white bread football. Solid reliable mediocrity. This was posted on another forum about the Blackburn match, sums it all as much as I do not like Megson, were these comments written by Sam Allardyce?
exiledwhite2 Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 Forgetting the fact that these players don't exist anymore, the idea that we were entertaining the pants off the league with our attacking football is complete bollocks to start with. Is anybody saying that? I'm all about the results too. I just happen to think we've more chance of getting them if we play more attacking players than Megson appears brave enough to use.
frank_spencer Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 Is anybody saying that? I'm all about the results too. I just happen to think we've more chance of getting them if we play more attacking players than Megson appears brave enough to use. he played 4 against the dingles not many teams field more than that?
HomerJay Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 The result was the worst display I have seen in at least five years at the Reebok. I took my dad. He's a big football fan. Half way through the second half he turned to me and said, "don't ever bring me here again". I couldn't blame him. What stood out for me was the lack of any class on the pitch. Over the last five years I have had the pleasure of watching Djorkief, Okacha, Campo, Hierro, Stelios, Nakata, Gardner and Diouf produce bits of magic that often got us great results against "bigger" teams. Those players represented Sam's philosphy that, even if you were playing direct physical football, you still needed class players. I always used to think that if you gave Sam 10K to buy a car he'd always buy an old Bentley over a new Nissan Micra. But Megson is the absolute opposite. Saturday's team reflected the new manager. It was meat and potatoes, missionary position with the lights out, Ford Mondeo 1.6GLX, semi-detached, Jacob's Creek, sliced white bread football. Solid reliable mediocrity. This was posted on another forum about the Blackburn match, sums it all you must have only been a couple time then, because ive seen a lot, LOT worse.
exiledwhite2 Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 he played 4 against the dingles not many teams field more than that? Come off it.
frank_spencer Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 Come off it. davies, nolan, taylor Elmander all are attacking players, the fact they didn't produce the goods is down to them. the way we have been lining up means Nolan is supposed to push up behind Elmander so rather than 451/433 we're playing 4231. i'd rather we gotr a 'better' manager in the Megson but people are making up issues that aren't there
enzo gambaro Posted October 24, 2008 Posted October 24, 2008 the way we have been lining up means Nolan is supposed to push up behind Elmander so rather than 451/433 we're playing 4231. Really? So why doesn't he?
Tyler Durden Posted October 24, 2008 Posted October 24, 2008 Really? So why doesn't he? Lack of confidence perhaps? Getting slagged off and booed by fans of a club he's grown up at might have something to do with it.
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