Ok, let's say he's going nowhere, what team should he play to give us a fighting chance?

 

For me, we must stop conceding goals, if that means defensive play thn so be it.

 

451

 

Any two centre backs, ie Cahill if he stops

 

Boyata out, a loan player does not have the fight and determination to keep us up. So steinsson back in

 

Muamba in and NRC in the middle and they need to be defensive side of the ball at all times. None of this box to box shite.

 

Mavies ahead of them supporting the front man. With minimal defensive responsibility.

 

Ngog has the best all round game of our 3 forwards so he'd be loan striker. He's strong, quick and can hold it up. Not sure how many goals hell get though.

 

Petrov and eagles wide, no other options really. And as much as I don't rate either , they have created more goals than any other players

 

Fullbacks not bombing forward either, we need to be disciplined

 

I know we need 3 points in games, but we a need a solid foundation, to gain a bit of confidence in the next couple of away games. I reckon. Couple of away 0-0's would do us a world of good.

 

Oh and NRC as captain. I think the responsiblty would up his game.

Edited December 11, 201114 yr by HomerJay

Even if he did resign you can bet the Burnley brains trust wouldnt and we'd have to replace all them too.

Right, unless something changes drastically, the noises are that OC is staying

 

For now anyway

 

PG wouldn't make noises about long term plans if he was thinking of giving him another game or two, as he'll look silly, I think he'd have trotted out the vote of confidence speech

 

So

 

Something needs to change....I think OC knows that, which is why he's been so fluid with the personnel he's picked; I think best case scenario is that the coaching staff realise it's not (just) the players that they pick, but the way they're trained and set up, that's contributing towards our downfall

 

(Better still, I'd like to see an "older head" come in to assist, but it's highly unlikely)

 

Otherwise I think we'll see some low quality panic buys in January, more jiggery pokery with the team and continued losses punctuated by a win/good performance once a month

 

Come on Owen, open your eyes fella

Get Peter Reid in as an experienced coach would be my shout. Similar to what he was doing at Stoke

all considered, i'd support the appointment of reid

 

which shows how shit it really is

agreed.

he would certainly shove a rocket up their arses.

 

god we are talking about peter reid helping out here.

 

im going for a pint.

Seen on ssn, coyles suggestion is play without fear

 

I really believe the man seriously cant see what the actual problem is.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/11/bolton-marc-albrighton-aston-villa

 

Coyle did not duck discussion of his own position. "The greatest pressure I am under is the pressure I place on myself. It is how I conducted myself as a player, and it is no different now I'm a manager. I was never the best player in the world, but I maximised what I had. I remember someone warning me that if I went into management, one of the biggest difficulties I would face would be that not everyone would be as passionate as me. They were right. I have tried to deal with it, but it's not easy.

 

Seems we may have a manager every bit as arrogant as the one now at West Ham

The crime is he doesn't know it but it's him who's making me lose my passion.

After those comments I seriously think he will walk before he's pushed.

Its a 4-5-1 for me as well, would like to see Ricketts back in the back line somewhere, hopefully Boyatta will get up to speed quick as he was average yesterday, we need 2 defensive midfielders sitting tight infront of the back 4 so that Muamba a must and coker, Mark Davies has to have a free role in the hole behind the lone striker, I also think that despite his poor form I thnk Kev Davies could give us a bit of solidity on the right or left especially away from home, with the 2 defensive midfielders I would risk a Petrov or a kakuta on either the right or left and just because I feel he deserves a run I am going with Kakuta.

 

Jussi

 

Boyata Cahill Knight Riketts (if fit)

 

Muamba Coker

 

Kakuta Mark Davies K.Davies

 

Ngog

 

Is that some kind of sick joke?!?

After those comments I seriously think he will walk before he's pushed.

 

I think that is much more likely than getting sacked.

Is that some kind of sick joke?!?

 

I think were a worse team without him especially away from home if we dont dominate possesion which we never do, the ball will just keep coming back at us, unfortunately no one else remotely makes it stick.

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I think were a worse team without him especially away from home if we dont dominate possesion which we never do, the ball will just keep coming back at us, unfortunately no one else remotely makes it stick.

.

 

Im with you.

 

Don't play him up front, play him wide left/right, work his bollocks off, get stuck in, hold it up. I think it's what we need against Fulham.

I think were a worse team without him especially away from home if we dont dominate possesion which we never do, the ball will just keep coming back at us, unfortunately no one else remotely makes it stick.

.

 

Klasnic held the ball up better than any Bolton striker ive seen for ages on Saturday. The problem was he had to pass it at some point which resulted in Eagles/Tuncay fucking it up most of the time and him never seeing the ball back to him in a decent area. Ngog has held it up better than him this season when he has played too.

 

Kevin Davies hardly makes an impression on the game full stop anymore imo. That dying swan impression he did when he tried flicking the ball back to somebody summed him up this season for me.

All this talk of 451 makes me think of this. Substitute the word England for Bolton

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDMx3kYe7ZY

It's not just about formation

 

Play 4-4-2 and you can't play 2 out and out wingers as we get crucified - any 2 of Eagles / Tuncay / Kakuta / Petrov is offering very little to the central mids and full-backs when we don't have the ball.

 

If we're sticking with 4-4-2 whatever, then we need to get NRC and Muamba in the middle and then we need a midfielder on one side - it worked well with M Davies being that player on the right and Eagles on the left versus Stoke.

 

Not perfect but not as limp wristed as some of what we've seen recently

The crime is he doesn't know it but it's him who's making me lose my passion.

 

 

The crime is he singles out one player every match to pass the blame to

?Even then, Paul Robinson must be much tighter with Albrighton; he was nowhere near him." (Bolton News)

 

I've never heard him say - 'I am at fault for picking the most inept players at the club '

IE the one's he signed, or the real reasons he won't play Steinsson or Muamba or Gardiner

 

Team Idea

Anyone but an OC signing !

Not seen any of his signings come under criticism yet either.

 

I think boyata has cost us a goal nearly every time he's played??

Not seen any of his signings come under criticism yet either.

 

I think boyata has cost us a goal nearly every time he's played??

 

Boyata is wank. I said before we signed him that he'd looked wank on the (admittedly few)occasions I'd seen him play for City.

 

He is/was very highly rated for some reason though.

 

I'd like to know why we didn't bring in Onouha instead. A player who is as comfortable at RB as he is at CB. Also he's not completely unproven and showed he's a good solid defender at Sunderland last season.

 

Both he and Kakuta should be sent back in January and hopefully Coyle can perform a magic act by bringing in Wilshere and/or Sturridge mk II. Chances are it'll be too little, too late anyway though.

Agreed 100%, Homer.

And that's the formation and kind of team that should have started game-2 at home to City and played in all the games against the top 6 clubs and a few of the other aways.

But it won't happen under OC.

If you don't concede, you don't lose. Defence / defending properly MUST be the focus.

 

Attritional football is now needed. Grinding out results with "ugly" football.

 

We need (and I can't believe I'm saying it!) a manager like Allardyce / Megson / Bassett.

 

Not those 3 in particular, but somebody like that: we need an injection of steel & discipline and as much as I hate him: Souness might even be the man.

 

Dour negativity perhaps, but it might just save us before we get cut adrift.

Edited December 12, 201114 yr by Traf

You are all being a bit simplistic.

Football managers base thier team selections on what they think the fitness and skill output will be in the next game, not on what you have sen from the player in his last game. Thats why you may see someone have a blinder and be on the bench next game, the player may have been at the top of his performance output and not expected to excel in the next game based on fitness and skill output (chest band and possession statastics)

 

Coyle also picks his team based on a position by position opposition match with various in game scenario's factored in.

Serious scenario realisations like Cahill sent off will be obviously difficult to manage, but swapping the sides of forwards or zone marking changes are also considered in team selection.

Its not just eany meany miny mo and put 4 jumpers down on the farmers field

You are all being a bit simplistic.

Football managers base thier team selections on what they think the fitness and skill output will be in the next game, not on what you have sen from the player in his last game. Thats why you may see someone have a blinder and be on the bench next game, the player may have been at the top of his performance output and not expected to excel in the next game based on fitness and skill output (chest band and possession statastics)

 

Coyle also picks his team based on a position by position opposition match with various in game scenario's factored in.

Serious scenario realisations like Cahill sent off will be obviously difficult to manage, but swapping the sides of forwards or zone marking changes are also considered in team selection.

Its not just eany meany miny mo and put 4 jumpers down on the farmers field

I think that's all been implicitly understood

 

I'd also add whatever selection OC has been using....it's bollocks!

Its not just eany meany miny mo

 

Give over. It quite clearly is.

 

Tell you what though, if what you're saying is true, Kevin Davies must be like Messi in training.

oh I agree with that ...whatever computer programme he is using is still on the ZX spectrum

I think that's all been implicitly understood

 

I'd also add whatever selection OC has been using....it's bollocks!

 

 

Each ball has the squad number of a player on.

Balls 2 & 6 have been removed from the set as a precaution.