"I may not like what you say but I will defend with my life your right to say it". Voltaire.

 

 

"Preaching hate perpetuates hate" NB

"Preaching hate perpetuates hate" NB

 

Not sure she is widely regarded as one of the worlds great philosophers but, who knows, one day perhaps?

 

Just to bring some balance with the French git I quoted, once commenting on English cooking he said "Of course the English have a sauce - it is called melted butter". The cheeky bastard.

To Be Is To Do: Socrates

 

To Do Is To Be: Sartre

 

Do Be Do Be Do: Sinatra.

Not sure she is widely regarded as one of the worlds great philosophers but, who knows, one day perhaps?

 

Just to bring some balance with the French git I quoted, once commenting on English cooking he said "Of course the English have a sauce - it is called melted butter". The cheeky bastard.

 

Do you think the author of that quote would be the inspiration behind social revolutions in America and France? Thought not.

 

Worth reminding ourselves of the words of the great enlightment thinkers like Voltaire, Rousseau then JS Mill and Marx - all of whom would twitch vigorously to hear some of the nonsense spouted about Suarezgate.

So we all have the right to be obnoxious and offensive to others?

It's fuck all to do with being PC or New Labour, it's to do with my upbringing. Clearly my mother is a social engineer.

There's some paranoid bollocks written on here by those on edges of each wing.

 

In answer to that I would say yes - absolutely we do - and bloody good we do too. What we're talking about here is free speech - or to put it another way "the right to be offensive".

 

Looked at one way you might conclude that it's simply not acceptable to go around abusing everyone you meet - sure that's not a desirable thing to do. But I'd defend your right to do it - why? Because I also have a right to hit back - it's my right to also say what I think - however confortable that might be to you. So not only is free speech is fundamental to a free society, it's also the most effective weapon against tyranny - and what we have here is a tyranny imposed by an ecotistical (geddit), green shirted, authoritarian elite.

 

What puzzles me is this: Since when did the state change it's mind on the question of race? When did the ruling elite suddenly become all PC anti racist minded? When I grew up the ruling class were the pioneers of racism - it was the state that promoted the idea of nasty foreigners coming over here, causing trouble, nicking our jobs, infecting our culture bla bla bla....now they want to lecture us about the the language we use and punish us for using offensive words. Did I sleepwalk through that change in culture or what?

 

What is evident is that those in authority are very keen indeed to supervise our speech - that can only be becuse they actually think we're unenlightened scum incapable of a progressive thought of our own and liable to launch racist pogroms at the drop of a hat. The illiberal leftists love to single out those that transgress - like Suarez - because it makes them feel good - because it gives them a sense of purpose. It re-confirms their belief that we're all - particularly the football community - a load of racist scum who can't be trusted.

 

Follow that lot at your peril. I'll defend free speech and the right to be offensive till I shuffle off this mortal coil.

i hope it isn't that long off

i hope it isn't that long off

 

I do love a cutting comment, I do.

 

I have to say though that I do sympathise with much that dingledangle is saying about the erosion of free speech. It is a dangerous road to set out on. Probably a generational thing where the older end realise the value and the younger end are willing to piss it away for a short term feelgood factor.

 

Freedom of speech should be sacrosanct, Otherwise you risk KGB or Stasi like thought police making a reappearance.

When you start hearing phrases like "ruling classes", "tyranny" & "authoritarian elite" from someone older than 25 you really know you're dealing with someone not of this world.

 

Deary me. I feel so stupid for being a pawn in the social engineering experiment the oligarchs who run Great Britain are carrying out.

Yeah that's it - if someone says someting you don't like - throw the book at him

 

Pathetic

 

Fucking hell lad, what do you want? Let's allow a free for all by any manager who cares to comment?

of course

 

free speech

 

and if somebody wants to refer to suarez in a derogatory fashion, dalglish just needs to sit there and keep it buttoned

 

maybe chuck in something close to the bone about hillsbrough too

 

tis everybodys right

Edited January 6, 201214 yr by Casino

of course

 

free speech

 

and if somebody wants to refer to suarez in a derogatory fashion, dalglish just needs to sit there and keep it buttoned

 

maybe chuck in something close to the bone about hillsbrough too

 

tis everybodys right

 

See, even Casino can grasp it. Should be a doddle for the rest of you then.

When you start hearing phrases like "ruling classes", "tyranny" & "authoritarian elite" from someone older than 25 you really know you're dealing with someone not of this world.

 

Deary me. I feel so stupid for being a pawn in the social engineering experiment the oligarchs who run Great Britain are carrying out.

 

That's a completely ageist comment - I'm offended - call the cops!

i hope it isn't that long off

 

You sound just like my missus

When you start hearing phrases like "ruling classes", "tyranny" & "authoritarian elite" from someone older than 25 you really know you're dealing with someone not of this world.

 

Deary me. I feel so stupid for being a pawn in the social engineering experiment the oligarchs who run Great Britain are carrying out.

 

Ok shit - I got carried away - how stupid of me - or course we're all the same aint we! In this wonderful "big society" "we're all in it together". There's no such thing as class, there are no advocacy groups lobbying government to ban anything, there is no elite - no-one is attempting to impose austerity on us, no-one is telling us to stop smoking. No-one is threatening us with imprisonment if we dare to sing sectarian songs at football matches, no-one is seeking to brand football supporters as low life chavvy scum...it's all in my fucked up imagination. I'm clearly too old to make a valid contribution to a debate because I'm just too fucking old. Only the under 40s have the brains to make sense of the world. Life experience counts for nought - ignorance is bliss - celebrate apathy, question nothing, take it up the arse and accept your lot - were are all equal.

 

Ever read Orwell?

Bang on!

 

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100127879/if-we-go-by-the-daft-definition-of-racism-proffered-by-diane-abbotts-own-social-set-then-she-is-a-racist/

Free speech doesn't exist in the UK any more. It's a sad state of affairs but by attempting to protect the ethnic minorities, the majorities have now been oppressed.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42779407/ns/world_news-europe/t/man-arrested-singing-kung-fu-fighting/#.Twcw5NSxaDk

Free speech doesn't exist in the UK any more. It's a sad state of affairs but by attempting to protect the ethnic minorities, the majorities have now been oppressed.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn...g/#.Twcw5NSxaDk

 

As the previous article clearly highlights - it was New Labour and their political set that redefined racism:

 

"to include speech and action that is not even consciously bigoted ("unwitting racism") and to include "any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person"

 

So there you are - it was feckin new labour wot fucked it all up....and it's still fecked - despite what the "yoof" might tell you.

As the previous article clearly highlights - it was New Labour and their political set that redefined racism:

 

"to include speech and action that is not even consciously bigoted ("unwitting racism") and to include "any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person"

 

So there you are - it was feckin new labour wot fucked it all up....and it's still fecked - despite what the "yoof" might tell you.

 

No offense to NB but i doubt she qualifies as 'Yoof' although flattery will get you anywhere.

No offense to NB but i doubt she qualifies as 'Yoof' although flattery will get you anywhere.

 

Is she a MILF?

Change it to a G, and that would be on a moonless night too.

 

 

& yes, I'm quite well read too. Thanks.

Edited January 6, 201214 yr by no balls

Ok shit - I got carried away - how stupid of me - or course we're all the same aint we! In this wonderful "big society" "we're all in it together". There's no such thing as class, there are no advocacy groups lobbying government to ban anything, there is no elite - no-one is attempting to impose austerity on us, no-one is telling us to stop smoking. No-one is threatening us with imprisonment if we dare to sing sectarian songs at football matches, no-one is seeking to brand football supporters as low life chavvy scum...it's all in my fucked up imagination. I'm clearly too old to make a valid contribution to a debate because I'm just too fucking old. Only the under 40s have the brains to make sense of the world. Life experience counts for nought - ignorance is bliss - celebrate apathy, question nothing, take it up the arse and accept your lot - were are all equal.

 

Ever read Orwell?

 

 

Thus said the Marxist

Change it to a G, and that would be on a moonless night too.

 

 

& yes, I'm quite well read too. Thanks.

 

I now have a mental impression of a 30 something classy intellectual independent stunner - an unmarried Lauren Laverne perhaps?

Try again. 30 something grandma? Good lord, do they breed in childhood in your brave new world?

Try again. 30 something grandma? Good lord, do they breed in childhood in your brave new world Wales?

 

Apparently so

 

http://www.dailymail...r-pregnant.html

Edited January 7, 201214 yr by H