Suarez

[sirnatlofty]

Just wondering, because if someone were to call him a fucking ugly, cheating Spic, would they need to say it in Spanish or would he understand it in English?

 

good point well made. deserves everything he gets. i dont think liverpool will appeal, and i dont think the suarez support t shirts will be whipped out again.

Edited January 1, 2012 by sirnatlofty

[Ani]

totally diferrent scenario numbnuts, didnt realise suarez plays football pissed

 

its a game ffs, things get said in the heat of the moment, just move on

 

and to add, what clips ets i have seen on ssn, evra is constantly in suarez's face, wonder what evra said to kev davies for davies to wipe him out

 

numbnuts ????

 

i am sorry iam not as bright as you

 

suaraez committed an offence that is why he is banned, blaming evra is bollox of the highest order.

 

his genius defence is then that he did not know it was offensive, all that money that was the best he could come up with?

 

oh and he was nipping him to calm the situation down.

 

btw it is not just a game it is the highly paid job that suarez does, this is not the lad in the park scenario it is someone being paid best part of ?5M per annum that thinks it is ok to speak to someone like this.

 

if you are working on a site and call someone a nigger during a row what would happen ?

Edited January 1, 2012 by Ani

[buckhurstwhite]

"if you are working on a site and call someone a nigger during a row what would happen ?"

 

If you know him nowt, if not you'd get twatted end of.

Edited January 1, 2012 by buckhurstwhite

[derek smalls]

i was listening to 5live today and pat nevin mad some reference to a comment made by alan hansen where he used a word to describe a coloured plater and had to apologise. anyone know what it was?

[MickyD]

i was listening to 5live today and pat nevin mad some reference to a comment made by alan hansen where he used a word to describe a coloured plater and had to apologise. anyone know what it was?

 

Well, for a start, if it was coloured, he'd need to apologise. Black people don't like the term coloured.

 

Half-caste is not acceptable. It is known as mixed-race.

[frank_spencer]

i was listening to 5live today and pat nevin mad some reference to a comment made by alan hansen where he used a word to describe a coloured plater and had to apologise. anyone know what it was?

 

he said something about black players being more accepted nowadays and called them coloured rather than black.

 

he apologised for any offence caused and nothing more was done as should be as he wasn't meaning to be insulting.

[MalcolmW]

It was last week's MOTD.

[anewman]

he said something about black players being more accepted nowadays and called them coloured rather than black.

 

he apologised for any offence caused and nothing more was done as should be as he wasn't meaning to be insulting.

 

 

not being funny but how sad is it when as a broadcaster you constantly have to apologise for things you may say

 

lucky i aint on match of the day ................."whos that fat cunt that sits on the bolton bench"

 

"oh I am terribly sorry to all the greedy lazy people in the world, I should of said big unit"

[dingdangdo]

So the authorities shouldn't be involved at all? Hasn't really worked in Spain has it? Their F.A. has turned a blind eye for years, with the result that when England played in Madrid you could barely hear the commentary because of all the monkey chants directed at our black players.

 

Good point - and I know racism in Spain is more prevalent than here - but you can't say that the specific problems in Spain are caused by a lack of authoritarian intervention. The problem in Spain is more deeply rooted in Spanish culture and society.

 

And yes I believe the authorities should not be involved in dealing with hate speech. Their first instinct is to ban words and make private speech subject to criminal law...that's not anti racism - that's just censorship

[dingdangdo]

You could also argue that the anti-racist campaigns made it easier for black players to succeed.

 

 

Do you really believe that the likes of Drogba, Welbeck, Evra, etc etc succeeded because of the FAs kick it out campaign?

 

I think you do black players a serious injustice by making that claim.

[dingdangdo]

& how would you feel if you were permantly insulted at work by a fellow professional because of the colour of your skin??? I guess you would probably smack the prick but Evra cant do that can he because he could face a heftier ban. He had no choice but to report him and i cant for the life of me understand why anyone would begrudge him for it

 

If I faced discrimination from a work colleague I'd deal with the colleague. That's a private matter between us.

Evra could have done many things if indeed he was being racially abused - just don't go snitching to the teacher like a big wuss.

I begruge him because he's set a very dangerous precedent - he's crossed a line that shouldn't be crossed.

[dingdangdo]

Im gona repeat the question that a few people have already asked you dingdangdo (which you have repeatedly ignored.)

 

Putting to one side all this nonsense about private and public spheres what would you have done with Suarez? Bearing in mind we know have concrete evidence that Suarez racially insulted Evra on numerous occasions. Do you have any idea what the consequences would be if he was left to get away with it?? Not forgetting that footballers are role models for thousands of kids in this country... Your argument doesnt make any sense mate, racism on and off the pitch must be punished, its as simple as that. Your begginning to sound like you emphasize with Suarez and what he said

 

"what would I have done with Suarez"

 

If I was Evra - I would have either:

1. Verbally abused him back
   
2. Waited till the next 50/50 moment, nailed him and taken a justifiable red card
   
3. Waited till after the game and have it out then
   

If I was Evra's team mate I would have backed Evra and laid in to Suarez, possibly taking a red card for my troubles

If I was on the discplinary panel I would have walked out as it was none of my god damn business

 

And footballers are not role models and should not be elevated to that status. They should be admired for their footballing skill and not expected to be things they clearly are not. Keep politics out of the beautiful game

[bolty58]

Ziggy - I didn't say that. Of course it's not ok for anyone to racially abuse another. My beef is wih the new cult of snitching to the authorities. Evra should have given Suarez some back rather than acting like a big girls blouse and reporting him.

 

Did Eddo Brandes report Glenn McGrath to the ICC for asking him why he was so fat - no, he said "because every time I fuck your wife she gives me a biscuit"

 

Geddit!

 

 

I am with you. Unfortunately in these 'enlightened' times, the younger end seem to grasp the righteous cause spouted by prominent folk of reddish hue and go off on a blind campaign without actually reading what is being said or pausing to think.

 

Trust me, I have been swimming against the tide on here on this issue for a long timne now and, frankly, we are pissing in the wind.They would have you drawn and quartered for even having the temerity to debate this issue, such is their zeal.

 

Racism is abhorrent. It seems that most right minded folk agree - as do you and I. Where I (and apparently you) have an issue is with the furore such an incident can be elevated to when some people died on the streets last night. This incident has been blown out of all proportion just like David Beckham in a sari.

[dingdangdo]

I take it you're an anarchist?

 

No mate - marxist if you must know

[Traf]

It won't be long before all the players are miked up and wearing small cameras embedded into thier kits.

[no balls]

No mate - marxist if you must know

 

Right on..........err, mate.

 

You and Bolty agreeing. Now this is funny!

[bolty58]

No mate - marxist if you must know

 

Just to make things clear - I am only with you regarding this particular debate. Marxism, Celtic, St Pauli etc. are at the opposite ends of our scales

[dingdangdo]

Just to make things clear - I am only with you regarding this particular debate. Marxism, Celtic, St Pauli etc. are at the opposite ends of our scales

 

bolty - left and right means jack shit these days - let's just debate the issues as we see them - if we agree good - if not - let's argue anyways!

[bolty58]

bolty - left and right means jack shit these days - let's just debate the issues as we see them - if we agree good - if not - let's argue anyways!

 

Sounds fair to me mate. Bolton supporters are always 51% good as a minimum in my eyes. Even Whites Man

[bolty58]

Right on..........err, mate.

 

You and Bolty agreeing. Now this is funny!

 

I think 'unnerving' would be a better word

[Youri Djorkaeff]

Right on..........err, mate.

 

You and Bolty agreeing. Now this is funny!

 

ahaha

[Youri Djorkaeff]

"what would I have done with Suarez"

 

If I was Evra - I would have either:

1. Verbally abused him back
   
2. Waited till the next 50/50 moment, nailed him and taken a justifiable red card
   
3. Waited till after the game and have it out then
   

If I was Evra's team mate I would have backed Evra and laid in to Suarez, possibly taking a red card for my troubles

If I was on the discplinary panel I would have walked out as it was none of my god damn business

 

And footballers are not role models and should not be elevated to that status. They should be admired for their footballing skill and not expected to be things they clearly are not. Keep politics out of the beautiful game

 

Then the football pitch would be a bloodbath if the FA told players to deal with it in that way... Plus think about logically.. Why should you, your team/manager and fans be forced to suffer a suspension because you were racially abused? I mean the suspension could damage your teams chances in future games for christs sake. Why cant there be laws in place which deals with the person who gave out the abuse in the firstplace. Your not analyzing all this very well considering your a Marxist mate.

 

Unfortunately footballers are role models, its a dire situation i know but there is no denying it. Ask any modern footballer and they will tell you they had a strong footballing role model when they were younger. Kids look up to and idolize them because of there skills with the football and they therefore have a moral duty to behave with a bit of decency.

Edited January 2, 2012 by Youri Djorkaeff

[Youri Djorkaeff]

bolty - left and right means jack shit these days - let's just debate the issues as we see them - if we agree good - if not - let's argue anyways!

 

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[MickyD]

If I faced discrimination from a work colleague I'd deal with the colleague. That's a private matter between us.

Evra could have done many things if indeed he was being racially abused - just don't go snitching to the teacher like a big wuss.

I begruge him because he's set a very dangerous precedent - he's crossed a line that shouldn't be crossed.

 

Right, here is the basic line of attack according to many racial awareness sessions I get at work. The same also applies in other forms of bullying.

 

Someone verbally attacks you > you feel upset, angry or threatened by that verbal attack > you speak to the person making the verbal attack > he stops making the verbal attack and apologises to you

 

Someone verbally attacks you > you feel upset, angry or threatened by that verbal attack > you speak to the person making the verbal attack > he continues the attack > you then speak to a person higher up the employment ladder (his line manager or a supervisor maybe)> that line manager or supervisor investigates whether the verbal attack took place and deals with the situation as he sees fit.

 

The first scenario isn't normally a problem unless it all starts again a short time later.

 

The second is exactly what happened, in basic terms, to Suarez.

[dingdangdo]

 

 

Then the football pitch would be a bloodbath if the FA told players to deal with it in that way... Plus think about logically.. Why should you, your team/manager and fans be forced to suffer a suspension because you were racially abused? I mean the suspension could damage your teams chances in future games for christs sake. Why cant there be laws in place which deals with the person who gave out the abuse in the firstplace. Your not analyzing all this very well considering your a Marxist mate.

 

Unfortunately footballers are role models, its a dire situation i know but there is no denying it. Ask any modern footballer and they will tell you they had a strong footballing role model when they were younger. Kids look up to and idolize them because of there skills with the football and they therefore have a moral duty to behave with a bit of decency.

 

Why would the pitch suddenly become a bloodbath? Did we have bloodbaths prior to the plethora of anti racist codes of conduct when racism was a real social problem?

 

I agree that the taking of a red card for retaliation seems unfair - but it's a far more effective weapon than running to the authorities.

 

And I also agree that footballers are forced to be role models - but they shouldn't be. The reason footballers are forced to be role models is because the cultural elite thinks us ordinary folk are too thick to socialise our kids according to their moral standards. Forcing footballers to behave like pc goody two shoes is just another form of top down social engineering and should be rejected.