I'm sure there's plenty in Britain willing to put in a hard days. Shame is half of them are polish etc.

 

 

I have a story about the out of work residents of Shirebrook & Sports Direct which would back this sentence up completely, sadly.

 

This needs to be addressed at school.

Well from a top level....

 

Yon Vietnam girl is brought up with bare minimum education and early factory work. It's what she knows. So when she progresses up to t'reebok factory shes more than happy making silk pockets for x amount of money a week as this more than accommodates her loving expenses.

 

Linda ain't having putting up with this shit. Shit wage. 'kin hard work. Some days 9 till 6. And her husband expects a steak on the table at 6.30.

 

Some can blame minimum wage I guess. Which drives minimum life living.

 

Again I apologise for the rediculous generic explanation. But it is what it is.

is that your explanation of lower expectations of life?

Yep

 

Blame it on a developed country who 'know of a better world' than sewing labels into tops or whatever you like.

 

Although thinking about it, if you're going down the road of ohhh is sewing labels is a 'lower life' then im completly wrong and im sure miss lee gets miles more satisfaction out of going home, slapping twenty rupees on the table than linda does than caning a bottle of banrock station....

I have a story about the out of work residents of Shirebrook & Sports Direct which would back this sentence up completely, sadly.

 

This needs to be addressed at school.

 

Go on with story....

Yep

 

Blame it on a developed country who 'know of a better world' than sewing labels into tops or whatever you like.

 

Although thinking about it, if you're going down the road of ohhh is sewing labels is a 'lower life' then im completly wrong and im sure miss lee gets miles more satisfaction out of going home, slapping twenty rupees on the table than linda does than caning a bottle of banrock station....

just interested thats all.

Aye

 

Im all for getting british manufacturing going.

 

Its just when you look at it in the cold heart of day, how the frig can we compete. Especially with the top end of your china's and asian countries who give rediculous education. (rediculous as in.. when they go home they do 4 hours of homework, tidy up, then go to bed) We've got to be looking at competing on other levels, whether it be culture, experience in life, more socially set up for business, making the most of our damn good history...

Our atandards of engineering and innovation is still extremely high

 

We may not be made for mass output, but we are looking good for manufacturing as we can be competitive in many niche areas

 

Both Linda and Miss Saigon have little to do with where UK can compete frankly

 

 

Aye

 

Im all for getting british manufacturing going.

 

Its just when you look at it in the cold heart of day, how the frig can we compete. Especially with the top end of your china's and asian countries who give rediculous education. (rediculous as in.. when they go home they do 4 hours of homework, tidy up, then go to bed) We've got to be looking at competing on other levels, whether it be culture, experience in life, more socially set up for business, making the most of our damn good history...

 

Ridiculous.

 

In the cold light of day, not trying to wind you up. You are putting forward a cohesive argument and these minor mistakes detract from it.

countries who give rediculous education. (rediculous as in.. when they go home they do 4 hours of homework, tidy up, then go to bed)

 

This education, does it include spelling?

It makes sense to build Jaguars in China as that is or soon will be the biggest market for them.

 

They will save on land, labour and shipping costs in one swoop.

 

Most the luxury car brands are sending more and more motors out to China.

 

This has been a problem for the last few years in China for the luxury car brands. If they can't get hold of a luxury brand, they copy it! Look at the rip off Mercs and BMW's they build over there. Absolutely identical in ;looks but absolutely shit quality.

 

Add that to the fact that whenever some marque tries to take the Chinese manufacturer to court (in a Chinese court!) the court will always side with the Chinese manufacturer as in the famous X5 ripoff "it looks nowt like an X5" said the Chinese court (in a broad North Western English accent), so a lot of them decided to sod it and open plants there anyway.

 

They've bought MG Rover out anyway and shipped production over there lock stock and barrel, Mercedes have a factory there and many more will follow if they aren't already doing so. Rather than someone copy their brand badly they might as well cash in as more Chinese get wealthy enough to afford Beemers, Audis, Mercs, Jags etc....

 

Now the problem will be in the future that the Chinese lot have seen our Western decadence and fancied a bit of it for themselves so they're already after more money, better conditions etc. so is it only a matter of time before production either moves elsewhere (but where?) or comes full circle back to Blighty? Even the Indians are now getting all greedy and wanting flash motors and swanky nights out at Berni Inns.

 

The Chinese have always been very good at copying stuff, and then not the best quality but they're no longer the great innovators of centuries ago.

 

They need capitalist economies' cash to finance lots of what they want to do (house building, road building, factories opening) so they have to still manufacture stuff to export and there's just a never ending circle.

Well from a top level....

 

Yon Vietnam girl is brought up with bare minimum education and early factory work. It's what she knows. So when she progresses up to t'reebok factory shes more than happy making silk pockets for x amount of money a week as this more than accommodates her loving expenses.

 

Linda ain't having putting up with this shit. Shit wage. 'kin hard work. Some days 9 till 6. And her husband expects a steak on the table at 6.30.

 

Some can blame minimum wage I guess. Which drives minimum life living.

 

Again I apologise for the rediculous generic explanation. But it is what it is.

 

I bet ling long can't get a freshly baked dawsons pie on my desk by 12noon

 

Rule Britannia.

My lad starts his engineering apprenticeship tomorrow. Preferred that to staying on at school. Lots of positive vibes from small and larger manufacturing companies and preferable for him to start a trade now and get some experience and get a head start on those who drift through a levels. Each to their own.

 

Good luck to him.

foxconn technology in china having problems i see. 40 hurt in fights amongst the workers. apple won't be happy as foxconn are one of their major suppliers. wouldn't see that sort of trouble at park cakes.................

This has been a problem for the last few years in China for the luxury car brands. If they can't get hold of a luxury brand, they copy it! Look at the rip off Mercs and BMW's they build over there. Absolutely identical in ;looks but absolutely shit quality.

 

Add that to the fact that whenever some marque tries to take the Chinese manufacturer to court (in a Chinese court!) the court will always side with the Chinese manufacturer as in the famous X5 ripoff "it looks nowt like an X5" said the Chinese court (in a broad North Western English accent), so a lot of them decided to sod it and open plants there anyway.

 

They've bought MG Rover out anyway and shipped production over there lock stock and barrel, Mercedes have a factory there and many more will follow if they aren't already doing so. Rather than someone copy their brand badly they might as well cash in as more Chinese get wealthy enough to afford Beemers, Audis, Mercs, Jags etc....

 

I see someone else watched the Top Gear China special too

Aye

 

Im all for getting british manufacturing going.

 

Its just when you look at it in the cold heart of day, how the frig can we compete. Especially with the top end of your china's and asian countries who give rediculous education. (rediculous as in.. when they go home they do 4 hours of homework, tidy up, then go to bed) We've got to be looking at competing on other levels, whether it be culture, experience in life, more socially set up for business, making the most of our damn good history...

 

Part of the problem/solution is you're looking at it from the wrong end.

 

When we ruled the world we had kids in mills and men working the pits for a loaf a week. Mums fed their 7 kids with a loaf, tub of lard, and a bone of some description whilst Dads sat in a tin bath washing his boots. Things move on, society changes, and so will the Far East.

 

These people who work for rice today will want iPhones and running water tomorrow. Their living standards and expectations are increasing, and slowly but surely there will be a levelling out.

 

There will always be places in the world where young kids stitch football boots in exchange for food but taking aside those melodramatic documentaries we see, the world's industry will change over the next generation.

 

And thats before we start looking at increased shipping costs once the oilfields run drier.

 

What's needed is a Gvt with the bollocks to invest literally BILLIONS in our infrastucture and subsidies to industry and manufacturing.

Our atandards of engineering and innovation is still extremely high

 

We may not be made for mass output, but we are looking good for manufacturing as we can be competitive in many niche areas

 

Both Linda and Miss Saigon have little to do with where UK can compete frankly

 

niche is all well and good, but it is what it says on the tin

 

niche

 

a mere drop in a very wide and very deep ocean

In the industry I work in I can't EVER see production coming back to the UK. The cost of running a plant here in the UK and the cost of running a plant in China is so far apart it's ridiculous. Each year at this time of year for setting budgets there's just a lot of head shaking and difficult decisions to make from a moral point of view but very, very simple ones to make from a business point of view. Ultimately the key customers dictate what you will pay. In many cases they want to pay less $/kg than we can actually produce at in the UK. Sad but true.

In the industry I work in I can't EVER see production coming back to the UK. The cost of running a plant here in the UK and the cost of running a plant in China is so far apart it's ridiculous. Each year at this time of year for setting budgets there's just a lot of head shaking and difficult decisions to make from a moral point of view but very, very simple ones to make from a business point of view. Ultimately the key customers dictate what you will pay. In many cases they want to pay less $/kg than we can actually produce at in the UK. Sad but true.

 

But as the demand for certain products increases in developing countries, so will the price, and so will the cost to produce it as the cost of living in those countries increases.

 

 

But as the demand for certain products increases in developing countries, so will the price, and so will the cost to produce it as the cost of living in those countries increases.

 

Then production will move to Africa or south America.

But as the demand for certain products increases in developing countries, so will the price, and so will the cost to produce it as the cost of living in those countries increases.

 

More production means higher volume, higher volume means lower fixed cost absorption rates, meaning even cheaper products.

 

.. I do get your point regarding cost of of living going up and that is inevitable, but Frank is right. If/When that happens and it becomes as cheap to make here (not that that will happen for a long, long time IMO) then production will move on to the next place where pruduction costs peanuts.

 

Some production is coming back the UK, and that's great, but let's not kid oursleves that we'll ever be a powerhouse again any time soon.

Edited September 24, 201213 yr by DazBobParr

foxconn technology in china having problems i see. 40 hurt in fights amongst the workers. apple won't be happy as foxconn are one of their major suppliers. wouldn't see that sort of trouble at park cakes.................

 

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Then production will move to Africa or south America.

 

Or Blackburn

There are may products that we need in the U.K. that are reasonable volume but not massive volumes, our country is a relatively small consumer of goods in the great scheme of things and in reality our business is not that important to the Chinese they will nearly always prioritise U.S. orders add to that there growing home market and lead times/lack of quality/lack of accountability and its very easy to see why there will be an increasing manufacturing base here in the U.K. and it is exactly what U.K. PLC needs.

 

 

Some production is coming back the UK, and that's great, but let's not kid oursleves that we'll ever be a powerhouse again any time soon.

 

I agree, but there were plenty of things we never made on a world scale anyway.

 

What I'm saying is we should be able to at least start competing in certain industries again and increase upon those where we already do well.

 

They're literally throwing zillions at Halewood because they simply can't make enough Range Rovers there. Like yon mon said before, we're building thousands of cars in the UK every day, these could be made in a Taiwanese hut by seven year olds but arn't. I wouldnt be buying many nuclear reactors from the Congo either.

 

I'm sure it's not the only industry UKPlc can look at growing again to become up there with the world leaders. Even a 5% swing on exports v imports can make a huge difference to our economy.