I can never work out why that is "fair"

 The idea of people being left to die because they can't afford mediation is pretty horrific.

 

That already happens in whatever system you like - medical care is fucking crazy expensive, so any system will have to ration and make calls that some treatments are just not worth it. I wouldn't want to live in a world where we spent much more than 10% on healthcare; there comes a point it's just silly.

I can see what you're getting at but you're dealing in extremes like certain cancers for instance. Without the NHS a vast amount of babies would die from something as simple as bronchiolitis as their parents could not afford treatment. Asthma would be killing children and adults in their thousands. To a certain extent its dealing in what is currently a preventable death. I wouldn't call someone's preventable death silly

Are we agreed on a flat rate of tax then??

 

30% for all??

True! You should pay for what you use! An opt out option from NHS healthcare for example

It would collapse overnight leaving the most vulnerable fucked. Even I wouldn't be happy with that. Unless they're a bone idle cunt.

 

Despite paying a fucking fortune into it, it's for the greater good. Social welfare should be based on your ability to contribute, not how much.

There lies my only issue with this system. Paying for bone idle cunts to live the life of luxury without lifting a finger!

 

But there is a fine line between humanity and tax!

There lies my only issue with this system. Paying for bone idle cunts to live the life of luxury without lifting a finger!

 

But there is a fine line between humanity and tax!

 

How old are you, Oli?

How old are you, Oli?

I'm sure you know the answer to that. But for the avoidance of doubt I'm 23

Fuckin hell mate I was at least 30 before I got grumpy about tax and the bone idle.

 

 

What you're paying in now will be eaten up (and more) with the birth cost of your first child. It might seem like dead money now you're young free and need fuck all, but for every one of you there's an old fella dribbling his Weetabix onto the carpet.

Doesn't it cost the NHS close to £2000 for each child birth??

I dunno about students being bone-idle cunts these days, the majority of the ones from less well-off, comfortable even, backgrounds have to combine study with some form of job, they also pay a fairly decent wedge towards their study costs too...

 

 

I dunno about students being bone-idle cunts these days, the majority of the ones from less well-off, comfortable even, backgrounds have to combine study with some form of job, they also pay a fairly decent wedge towards their study costs too...

 

Aye.  Bird's nephew has just gone to Uni.  He's had to get a bar job to help pay his way and when he comes back over Christmas he'll be grobbing in people's Big Macs so he can take some money back with him.

Add to that if anything fucks up in your private operation you'll be getting rushed to the local NHS hospital, if you've got kids, besides for a planned operation like a tonsillectomy then your private health policy is useless as well

 

True that - I know a girl who paid to have a nose job. They ballsed it up and the NHS sorted it out.

Aye.  Bird's nephew has just gone to Uni.  He's had to get a bar job to help pay his way and when he comes back over Christmas he'll be grobbing in people's Big Macs so he can take some money back with him.

 

 

Aye, they're not all a bad lot really, that said he'll probably graduate in three years, land a decent job and start turning up telling blokes twice his age that things are done Z, X and Y way not X, Y and Z, then start f*cking moaning about how much tax he's paying during breaks!

Edited December 10, 201312 yr by Youri McAnespie

I'm sure you know the answer to that. But for the avoidance of doubt I'm 23

 

 

Fuckin hell mate I was at least 30 before I got grumpy about tax and the bone idle.

 

 

What you're paying in now will be eaten up (and more) with the birth cost of your first child. It might seem like dead money now you're young free and need fuck all, but for every one of you there's an old fella dribbling his Weetabix onto the carpet.

 

Oli, I knew you were early to late 20's and Smiff's comment was going to form part of my reply.

 

Secondly, as a 23 yr old recent graduate (well done, BTW) the question could always be asked about how much you personally have contributed to the NHS in 23 years, yet they've always been there for you and you will have used them.

 

I'm not for one minute suggesting that your parents are workshy benefit grabbers who haven't contributed, though.

 

The idea of opting out or introducing a flat rate just doesn't work for me. The costs involved in pre-and post pregnancy care are horrific, never mind ow much they could charge to ensure a safe delivery, So should families expecting kids have to pay more, even though one of them will be off work?

 

It can't and won't work, mate.

I don't want kids anyway. ;-)

I don't want kids anyway. ;-)

 

thinly veiled "I'm ugly and can't get a shag" post

thinly veiled "I'm ugly and can't get a shag" post

 

thinly veiled "I'm impotent" post

I dunno about students being bone-idle cunts these days, the majority of the ones from less well-off, comfortable even, backgrounds have to combine study with some form of job, they also pay a fairly decent wedge towards their study costs too...

 

alternatively, do a nursing degree then don't become a nurse

I can see what you're getting at but you're dealing in extremes like certain cancers for instance. Without the NHS a vast amount of babies would die from something as simple as bronchiolitis as their parents could not afford treatment. Asthma would be killing children and adults in their thousands. To a certain extent its dealing in what is currently a preventable death. I wouldn't call someone's preventable death silly

 

w've been here before with this

 

there has to come apoint when  we say 'we can't afford that treatment'

 

not sure where that point is or how happy i'd be about being told 10 million was too much to make my kids better but there has to be a line somewhere

 

especially if that 10 million keeps 10 million other kids healthy

Doesn't it cost the NHS close to £2000 for each child birth??

 

 

I believe the children are our future

"...teach them well and let them lead the way, show them all the beauty theypossessinside!"

 

We should treat them well and let them lead the way

 

EDIT......

 

TWAT

Edited December 10, 201312 yr by Smiffs

Who, Eddie? Not heard owt from him for a bit, is he still running a taxi service for chicks with dicks?

 

If income tax was fair, then big earners would be less likely to avoid it.

 

Absolutely no way, the mentality of big earners will always be to take as much as they can and contribute as little.

In fact that goes for most folk.

Rightly so as long as it is legal, arguably.

 

Why isn't income tax 'fair' anyway, surely you can never come to a definitive 'fair' %. If you are earning your money in this country you should pay towards its upkeep. It's hardly like we're running a surplus is it?

Absolutely no way, the mentality of big earners will always be to take as much as they can and contribute as little.

In fact that goes for most folk.

Rightly so as long as it is legal, arguably.

 

Why isn't income tax 'fair' anyway, surely you can never come to a definitive 'fair' %. If you are earning your money in this country you should pay towards its upkeep. It's hardly like we're running a surplus is it?

 

 

The facts don't your support your perspective. History shows that reducing the tax rate brings a greater return.

 

 

"Fair"

 

 

Please explain how 45% is more fair than, for example,30%

 

If you pay 30% x £300,000, is that more fair than paying 45% x £300,000? Or 52%? Or 83%?