Were 2-0 down after 63 minutes and then spurs get a red card

 

winning 5-2 now!

We've got at least 3 young uns scoring for fun and not one has been given a chance by the bloke who goes on about giving youth its chance. Instead he's bringing a kid back who hardly ripped up any trees when he was last here. Yet another baffling decision by a man who's made more mistakes in two thirds of a season than most managers are allowed in a whole career. But let's stick with him shall we til 'it's his team' and he's 'got rid of the dead wood'...by which time we'll be plummeting towards League 2.

Any young uns "scoring for fun" are at a much lower level than the championship. The "kid" he's bringing back was highly rated for Cardiff in the championship last season.......so not a very baffling decision really.

 

Vela, Hall, Odelusi, Youngs, White, Eaves have all played in the 1st team (others have been in the squad ) so Freedman is clearly trying to give youth a chance, but so far, none of them have done well enough to earn a regular starting place. If they aren't ready ,they aren't ready & there's no point damaging their progress by allowing simpletons in the crowd shout abuse at them.

Any young uns "scoring for fun" are at a much lower level than the championship. The "kid" he's bringing back was highly rated for Cardiff in the championship last season.......so not a very baffling decision really.

 

Vela, Hall, Odelusi, Youngs, White, Eaves have all played in the 1st team (others have been in the squad ) so Freedman is clearly trying to give youth a chance, but so far, none of them have done well enough to earn a regular starting place. If they aren't ready ,they aren't ready & there's no point damaging their progress by allowing simpletons in the crowd shout abuse at them.

 

...and that's why the supporters should support.

Illiev come on and scores a winner - cheered to the rafters.

Iliev come on and team fail to win - booed off, and several years of building up his feeling for the club is undermined.

Which is why you always need to be careful how and when you blood youngsters

 

When things aren't going well, it's a tough, tough task

 

The crowd is clearly not pissed off at the kid but the general state of affairs and that frustration can boil over and disaffect the youngster

If we were mid-table, I think he'd chuck them in. Now, in a relegation battle, anyone wanting to throw kids in needs to lay off the crackpipe.

I am not having that those listed have been given a chance. Coming on with 10 minutes to go while we frantically boot it with knight upfront is not giving a chance. Starting 3 games in a row is a chance.

Vela has looked the most likely when I've seen him. Normally 5 minutes later someone is scything him down and putting him out for 9 weeks.

I'm also not having it that any bugger would boo the kids.

I'm also not having it that any bugger would boo the kids.

 

Alonso played for us between the ages of 19 and 22

 

he was booed plenty of times.

not sure about ages on this one but HUnt was definitely booed plenty too

 

granted, that was probably more to do with him being a local lad.

Which is why you always need to be careful how and when you blood youngsters

 

When things aren't going well, it's a tough, tough task

 

The crowd is clearly not pissed off at the kid but the general state of affairs and that frustration can boil over and disaffect the youngster

Agreed. The ideal time to integrate a youngster into the team is when you've got a fairly successful, settled side, with experienced pros to help them & a supportive crowd. That's not really us at the moment !!

How old are Clough and Youngs? 18? 19? Plenty of players come through at that age. I'm not saying they're necessarily the answer straight away, but at least get em on the fucking bench. The selections he's made this season have given us our worst start in 111 years, a 7-1 thrashing and 2 home wins in 15...how much worse could it get?!

Alonso played for us between the ages of 19 and 22

 

he was booed plenty of times.

 

Was he? Jesus we'd kill for someone that good now.

how much worse could it get?!

Wolves last season, falling straight through. Surely that's worse, or am I imagining it?

Was he? Jesus we'd kill for someone that good now.

 

the worst I remembering it happening was Burnley away in the cup. He was absolutely lynched.

the worst I remembering it happening was Burnley away in the cup. He was absolutely lynched.

 

This one - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/league_cup/9009801.stm

 

So he was 19 and had been at the club (and left home for a foreign country) 3 months

 

brilliant

This one - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/league_cup/9009801.stm

 

So he was 19 and had been at the club (and left home for a foreign country) 3 months

 

brilliant

 

 

i wasn't there

 

bummer, cos he'd have got told

i wasn't there

 

bummer, cos he'd have got told

 

Even you weren't against him then!

Hunt didn't get booed directly as in what pratley got last season and what knight gets all the time and slowly what spearing is getting. He was just seen as the scapegoat and labelled as the liability. But he was playing alongside djorkaeff Okocha and speed, so he was bound to be seen as the weak link.

Hunt didn't get booed directly as in what pratley got last season and what knight gets all the time and slowly what spearing is getting. He was just seen as the scapegoat and labelled as the liability. But he was playing alongside djorkaeff Okocha and speed, so he was bound to be seen as the weak link.

 

that says it all though

 

im not saying any of our players aren't shite

 

but there always has to be someone

 

even when we were at the very best we are ever likely to be

Alonso played for us between the ages of 19 and 22

 

he was booed plenty of times.

 

not sure about ages on this one but HUnt was definitely booed plenty too

 

granted, that was probably more to do with him being a local lad.

 

dare say it didn't do either any harm

 

certainly not hunt - steady and consistent - and he was never part of a struggling team

 

so i doubt there'll ever be a right time to throw them in, if we're worried about fans reactions

 

if they're good enough, they're good enough, and if DF is as good as folk think at blooding youth from his time at palace, he'd have done so by now - but he doesn't even fancy his own signings half the time, let alone the kids

 

this season though, I think we could've played anyone, and we'd still be in this position

 

if we're safe by the last few games, he should do what alladyce did in 99 and play mostly kids on the last day - then we may also be able to pinpoint who exactly the deadwood are

i'd say it definitely did Alonso harm.

dare say it didn't do either any harm

 

certainly not hunt - steady and consistent - and he was never part of a struggling team

 

so i doubt there'll ever be a right time to throw them in, if we're worried about fans reactions

 

if they're good enough, they're good enough, and if DF is as good as folk think at blooding youth from his time at palace, he'd have done so by now - but he doesn't even fancy his own signings half the time, let alone the kids

 

this season though, I think we could've played anyone, and we'd still be in this position

 

if we're safe by the last few games, he should do what alladyce did in 99 and play mostly kids on the last day - then we may also be able to pinpoint who exactly the deadwood are

 

Agreed for 3 or 4 - not 6 or 7.

Unfortunately if we are safe Birmingham may well be at risk of relegation.

The way the fixtures fall isn't good for experimenting unless we win the next 5 home matches.

Win a home match?

 

Put the crack pipe down Malc.

Funny how people think the booing element would respect a players age.

 

Kid makes a mistake but nothing said because he is 19 ? Christ the fact they are Bolton born bred hardly helped Julian Darby did it ?

 

I think people are assuming irrational people will behave rationally.

Nicky Hunt had a Ferrari, Franny Lee had a bog roll business when he was 21, and Greavo had a beard.

 

It's called JEALOUSY.

Funny how people think the booing element would respect a players age.

 

Kid makes a mistake but nothing said because he is 19 ? Christ the fact they are Bolton born bred hardly helped Julian Darby did it ?

 

I think people are assuming irrational people will behave rationally.

 

 

i actually think some of our young uns would get a little slack

 

from what i heard white was nothing special at qpr but was given a bit of leeway

 

i think eaves would be a different kettle of fish as he's always going to be the bloke who forced kevin davies out