I would have bet my bottom dollar I'd be conservative or at a push ukip but I've got lib fucking dem.

 

I think it's spending too much time on here with you bedwetting hand wringing yoghurt knitting teacher lovers!

 

www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/

 

 

The Mrs just answered and got UKIP after thinking she'd get lib dem.

 

Someone debunk this as bullshit please.

 

You can also use this as a reminder that you have until the 20th of April to register to vote.

Is it local elections on the same day?

 

Just had a lib dem tactical vote flyer through. Pretty much don't vote tory as it's a two horse race for Horwich between labour and lib dem.

I can't find anything relevant in that article.

 

 

I'm not saying Labour didn't overspend, but the Coalition has borrowed even more, and all during 5 years of austerity!

 

 

I agree, nearly

 

I fully expect that Labour would have spent more that the Coalition have; it's in their DNA.

 

The last 5 years weren't "austerity", despite what the parties of the left screech

I can't find anything relevant in that article.

 

 

 

I'm not saying Labour didn't overspend, but the Coalition has borrowed even more, and all during 5 years of austerity!

They say Labour aren't explaining where the money will come from therefore if they don't know, can Labour be trusted.Odds on they'll spend more if they aren't prepared to put bones on it.

They say Labour aren't explaining where the money will come from therefore if they don't know, can Labour be trusted.Odds on they'll spend more if they aren't prepared to put bones on it.

 

But they also say the Conservatives aren't explaining where the money will come from. As usual, it's the same old shit from both sides really.

I agree, nearly

 

I fully expect that Labour would have spent more that the Coalition have; it's in their DNA.

 

The last 5 years weren't "austerity", despite what the parties of the left screech

 

Of course the last 5 years have been of austerity. This government has been more than open about that. I'm not sure what you mean.

You'll be waiting a long time as it isn't true.

 

This is as I thought

Truth is, people will always vote in a tribal way.

 

"My Dad voted labour so I should" etc.

 

It becomes akin to supporting a football team, folk just stick with it.

 

The more you try and change people's minds - even with facts - the more they are likely to dig their heels in.

 

Labour voters are still busy blaming thatcher over the coal pits, even though that was 30 years ago.

Absolute bargain considering what we get out of it.

 

Im still waiting for you to say what it is that the UK gets out of the EU that gives us more profit than the 30 million pounds that the UK puts in a day, and that we didnt 

 

already get out of it anyway.

Truth is, people will always vote in a tribal way.

"My Dad voted labour so I should" etc.

It becomes akin to supporting a football team, folk just stick with it.

The more you try and change people's minds - even with facts - the more they are likely to dig their heels in.

Labour voters are still busy blaming thatcher over the coal pits, even though that was 30 years ago.

I genuinely don't know how my father voted he always kept that to himself and I respected that. Then again, he supported RMI and was disappointed when I asked to go to Burnden park

Im still waiting for you to say what it is that the UK gets out of the EU that gives us more profit than the 30 million pounds that the UK puts in a day, and that we didnt 

 

already get out of it anyway.

 

Massive trade benefits, freedom of travel, freedom to emigrate within the EU, sharing of technology and scientific advances, sharing of energy resources, but most importantly of all, long-term peace in Europe. The EU should be something to be proud of. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's far better than the alternative. Surely we should be looking to be part of a united planet, not ostracising ourselves from it. 

 

What don't you like about us being a member of the EU?

Im still waiting for you to say what it is that the UK gets out of the EU that gives us more profit than the 30 million pounds that the UK puts in a day, and that we didnt

 

already get out of it anyway.

If it was all so shite why would any sane government keep us in there?

If it was all so shite why would any sane government keep us in there?

 

Good point. The only party who are determined to get us out are UKIP, and their arguments are all based on immigration, which we actually profit from...

Massive trade benefits, freedom of travel, freedom to emigrate within the EU, sharing of technology and scientific advances, sharing of energy resources, but most importantly of all, long-term peace in Europe. The EU should be something to be proud of. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's far better than the alternative. Surely we should be looking to be part of a united planet, not ostracising ourselves from it. 

 

What don't you like about us being a member of the EU?

I asked what it is that was paid the UK more than the 30 million pounds per day that it puts in.This doesnt answer that.

Also I said `that we didnt already have before we joined the EU`. 

This `freedom of travel` is something we certainly dont want.

`sharing of energy resources`? what? you are saying energy such as gas or electric is shared? nothing is free.

My point as before is, what is it that gives the UK more monetary returns ( profit ) per day than the 30 million pounds that is taken from the UK?

I can't find anything relevant in that article.

 

 

I'm not saying Labour didn't overspend, but the Coalition has borrowed even more, and all during 5 years of austerity!

That's because they were left with a 200 billion a year deficit, they had to borrow and reduce gradually

I asked what it is that was paid the UK more than the 30 million pounds per day that it puts in.This doesnt answer that.

Also I said `that we didnt already have before we joined the EU`. 

This `freedom of travel` is something we certainly dont want.

`sharing of energy resources`? what? you are saying energy such as gas or electric is shared? nothing is free.

My point as before is, what is it that gives the UK more monetary returns ( profit ) per day than the 30 million pounds that is taken from the UK?

 

EU competition rules on energy prices ensure we don't get fucked for the gas and coal we import. Of course it's not free, but it's cheaper than trading outside of those agreements.

 

In terms of monetary return, the EU isn't a financial investment. Why would you expect to get more out than you put in? How much do we get back from our own parliament, which we spend billions on to run the country?  Don't get me wrong, there is massive room for improvement regarding the EU, but abandoning it would be short-sighted, and frankly stupid.

That's because they were left with a 200 billion a year deficit, they had to borrow and reduce gradually

 

How have they reduced it?

How have they reduced it?

 

 

How?

 

 

Or by how much?

How?

 

 

Or by how much?

 

Both.

Both.

 

 

Welfare changes

Reduction in the size of the armed forces

Something of a freeze in public sector salaries

Changes in police forces

Changes in scope of local authorities

 

etc

 

 

The annual deficit is down from 171bn to 88bn.

EU competition rules on energy prices ensure we don't get fucked for the gas and coal we import. Of course it's not free, but it's cheaper than trading outside of those agreements.

 

In terms of monetary return, the EU isn't a financial investment. Why would you expect to get more out than you put in? How much do we get back from our own parliament, which we spend billions on to run the country?  Don't get me wrong, there is massive room for improvement regarding the EU, but abandoning it would be short-sighted, and frankly stupid.

I am ignorant on the EU ins and outs. What you post here is interesting reading. however 30 million pounds given away a day is not good business at all as far as I can see. We are on a loss of 30 million per day every day, that is not good, and I dont care what they say. On the point of it making a peaceful Europe, I think it is on the contrary and will lead to a war. Look at Greece and Germany. Also I believe, and I dont know if this is true as I am ignorant of it, but I read that there are countries now in the EU that havent paid anything into a pension scheme ever and whom now have their citizens drawing a pension, and if that is so it is an outrage. If as you say the EU isnt a financial investment ( 30 million pound loss per day ) there is no reason whatsoever to be involved in it, and I would get out right away. All these bills are put onto the working man.

If it was all so shite why would any sane government keep us in there?

I believe that Tony Blair got us into it and were signed up, I may be wrong.

We are being fleeced, and we told them so before they did it.

We are not being fleeced. We are lucky as fuck to live in a country that is a a member of the EU.

I believe that Tony Blair got us into it and were signed up, I may be wrong.

We are being fleeced, and we told them so before they did it.

Sorry you can blame a lot on Tony Blair but this one is not his not by a long way 

Edited May 5, 201511 yr by tyldesley_white

I believe that Tony Blair got us into it and were signed up, I may be wrong.

We are being fleeced, and we told them so before they did it.

 

 

You are wrong; it was Edward Heath

 

We were conned and continue to be so

I believe that Tony Blair got us into it and were signed up, I may be wrong.

We are being fleeced, and we told them so before they did it.

him and his Mrs are bloody laughing all the way to the bank them two well and truly feathered their nest