As the most used BWFC fan site, we'd like to gauge opinion

 

 

The ACV status gained by the Trust is the best thing they've done, your negative spin is impressive even for this website. I must say however I'm thinking you might be going on the ignore list with cheese pretty soon.

 

You're free to do what you please mate but it won't change the facts.

 

The stadium is probably the clubs/owners single largest asset.

 

The ACV effectively prevents quick sale and renting back as per the statement made above.

 

The ACV gives the ST the opportunity to purchase the stadium but they still are required to raise the money to do so.

 

The stadium's value will be in the millions.

 

The ST doesn't have anything like that sort of money and so will need facilitate it from elsewhere.

 

If it doesn't (or can't) someone else will buy it.

 

Therefore as I've said above, if it doesn't have relatively easy access to that sort of money then what was the point in seeking the ACV in the first place?

 

You may consider that some sort of negative spin but really they are just simple factual statements.

 

What part do you not agree with?

Edited May 17, 20179 yr by Sluffy

You're free to do what you please mate but it won't change the facts.

 

The stadium is probably the clubs/owners single largest asset.

 

The ACV effectively prevents quick sale and renting back as per the statement made above.

 

The ACV gives the ST the opportunity to purchase the stadium but they still are required to raise the money to do so.

 

The stadium's value will be in the millions.

 

The ST doesn't have anything like that sort of money and so will need facilitate it from elsewhere.

 

If it doesn't (or can't) someone else will buy it.

 

Therefore as I've said above, if it doesn't have relatively easy access to that sort of money then what was the point in seeking the ACV in the first place?

 

You may consider that some sort of negative spin but really they are just simple factual statements.

 

What part do you not agree with?

There is no doubt in my mind that the ST would be easily capable of raising enough support and money from the town, council and local business to secure the stadium. I'm not sure if you've a clue what passion this town has for its club, what's your background of supporting BWFC? Can any one vouch that your even a fan? Because I'm thinking your a wind up merchant from Wigan or Tranmere. Come on put your credentials on the line as a fan who are you what's your record of watching Bolton? Are you a season ticket holder? How many aways you been to this season and how long do you go back? Be happy to meet up for a pint so we can discuss some of the great times you have witnessed as a Wanderer name a time and place?

Edited May 17, 20179 yr by Mounts Kipper

There is no doubt in my mind that the ST would be easily capable of raising enough support and money from the town, council and local business to secure the stadium. I'm not sure if you've a clue what passion this town has for its club, what's your background of supporting BWFC? Can any one vouch that your even a fan? Because I'm thinking your a wind up merchant from Wigan or Tranmere. Come on put your credentials on the line as a fan who are you what's your record of watching Bolton? Are you a season ticket holder? How many aways you been to this season and how long do you go back? Be happy to meet up for a pint so we can discuss some of the great times you have witnessed as a Wanderer name a time and place?

I have a vague recollection of you introducing me to Sluffy in Munich G.

The club filed for admin in court but it got declined. HMRC wanted insolvency and the judge agreed.

 

Hillary Stonefrost saved the day iirc

 

I don't remember it that way.

 

My recollection was that Davies had prepared the documentation for Administration (and even paid the fees) in the event that no deal could be agreed with Holdsworth before going into the courtroom.

 

An agreement was made and application for Administration was never sought.

 

If no agreement had been made it would have been highly unlikely Administration would not have been granted as the major creditor who would have benefitted the most was Eddie Davies and he was the one seeking Administration which basically seeks to restructure the businesses finances in order to carry on trading as a going concern.

 

It's the courts objective to give businesses every opportunity to financially reorganise themselves and re-establish themselves as a going concerns (the taxman's too  believe it or not) because a trading company employs people, sells goods and services and hopefully makes profits (all of which are tax revenue earning - income tax, VAT and corporation tax) whilst liquidating a company as the opposite effect - none of the tax revenues streams plus the payment of benefits to those now unemployed.

 

To put this into some perspective the last football league club to go bust was Maidstone United in 1992 (25 years ago) how many clubs since then have HMRC sought to wound up - unsuccessfully!

Edited May 17, 20179 yr by Sluffy

I have a vague recollection of you introducing me to Sluffy in Munich G.

Really? No idea who he is.

I don't know him, but I know he's not a wind up

 

And I think he's more likely to be right re the trust's ability to raise the necessary funds than you

There is no doubt in my mind that the ST would be easily capable of raising enough support and money from the town, council and local business to secure the stadium. I'm not sure if you've a clue what passion this town has for its club, what's your background of supporting BWFC? Can any one vouch that your even a fan? Because I'm thinking your a wind up merchant from Wigan or Tranmere. Come on put your credentials on the line as a fan who are you what's your record of watching Bolton? Are you a season ticket holder? How many aways you been to this season and how long do you go back? Be happy to meet up for a pint so we can discuss some of the great times you have witnessed as a Wanderer name a time and place?

 

For what it is worth I was born in Townleys and lived in Halliwell.

Bill Riding was the manager when I started going to Burnden and we were in the old first division with players like Warwick Rimmer and Freddie Hill.

I could have googled all of that so it's up to you to believe if I'm a wum or for real - I can't say I bothered either way.

Thank you for your kind invite to meet up and have a pint but I'm not in the habit of meeting up with strange men off the internet.

(That was a joke by the way).

I know you are very passionate about the club - I've read many of your posts on here over the years - and I can understand how this passion has spilled over to include the ST too as many believe they are some magical answer to solve all of the clubs problems.

I guess I'm kind of the opposite to you, I'm very analytical and logical and tend to think for myself rather than simply follow the crowd.

It takes all sorts to make the world and I don't consider myself any better or worse than the next man.

I simply can't see Supporters Trust being able to deliver anything other than being the final backstop to stop a club going under when there's nothing else left.

I've nothing against the ST or those who are members of it or support it.

I simply comment on their actions in a rational rather than emotive way.

If it pisses you off - I know it does others - then I apologise, it isn't my aim to upset people.

I'm happy for you or anyone else to refute my comments - after all isn't that what a forum is for?

I'm open to having my mind changed by rational argument.

Maybe you're the one to do it in regards to the ST?

 

PS - It wasn't me you met in Munich.

There is no doubt in my mind that the ST would be easily capable of raising enough support and money from the town, council and local business to secure the stadium. I'm not sure if you've a clue what passion this town has for its club, what's your background of supporting BWFC? Can any one vouch that your even a fan? Because I'm thinking your a wind up merchant from Wigan or Tranmere. Come on put your credentials on the line as a fan who are you what's your record of watching Bolton? Are you a season ticket holder? How many aways you been to this season and how long do you go back? Be happy to meet up for a pint so we can discuss some of the great times you have witnessed as a Wanderer name a time and place?

 

Fuck me, super fan police.

Nice having Sluffy back on here

For what it is worth I was born in Townleys and lived in Halliwell.

Bill Riding was the manager when I started going to Burnden and we were in the old first division with players like Warwick Rimmer and Freddie Hill.

I could have googled all of that so it's up to you to believe if I'm a wum or for real - I can't say I bothered either way.

Thank you for your kind invite to meet up and have a pint but I'm not in the habit of meeting up with strange men off the internet.

(That was a joke by the way).

I know you are very passionate about the club - I've read many of your posts on here over the years - and I can understand how this passion has spilled over to include the ST too as many believe they are some magical answer to solve all of the clubs problems.

I guess I'm kind of the opposite to you, I'm very analytical and logical and tend to think for myself rather than simply follow the crowd.

It takes all sorts to make the world and I don't consider myself any better or worse than the next man.

I simply can't see Supporters Trust being able to deliver anything other than being the final backstop to stop a club going under when there's nothing else left.

I've nothing against the ST or those who are members of it or support it.

I simply comment on their actions in a rational rather than emotive way.

If it pisses you off - I know it does others - then I apologise, it isn't my aim to upset people.

I'm happy for you or anyone else to refute my comments - after all isn't that what a forum is for?

I'm open to having my mind changed by rational argument.

Maybe you're the one to do it in regards to the ST?

 

PS - It wasn't me you met in Munich.

Think I've gathered you doubt the Trusts ability to raise cash if needed to purchase the stadium however your analytical mind can't analyse that in times of need communities can and do pull together and do amazing things to protect a cherished community asset and the trust have ensured by adding the stadium as an ACV buys the time for the community to act in such a manner and for you to turn that into a negative is nothing short of ridiculous and I would suggest irrational, methinks you've an axe to grind regarding the trust or the folk that run it.

 

I've yet to spot one post from you that is related to actual football, the joy of watching our football team and the joy of being a fan and going to the game, just a constant negative drone relating to the Trust, (I have also been negative about certain aspects of some of their actions) however I'll give credit where it's due as is the case of gaining the ACV, but even even then you look for the negative. I'll put you on ignore for now and give you time to post some positive football related stuff, but as that's not your modus operandi I'll check in 12 months to see if you've actually been to a match and shown a glimmer of football joy or positivity. Goodbye for now.

Edited May 18, 20179 yr by Mounts Kipper

Fuck me, super fan police.

Not at all you should know that's not how I operate. I asked the questions because from where I'm looking he semed like a WUM however I'll accept he was a fan once when Bill Ridding was manager ???? I'd like to know what was the last game he went too I'd guess Eddie Hodkinson's testimonial, fans normally post about their comments of games and great days out, he just hums negativity has 1 topic of debate and lack of joy about the great game, just constant negativity and diatribe about the trust, even when they actually did something positive.

Edited May 18, 20179 yr by Mounts Kipper

Not at all you should know that's not how I operate. I asked the questions because from where I'm looking he semed like a WUM however I'll accept he was a fan once when Bill Ridding was manager fans normally post about comments of games and days out he just hums negativity and lack of joy from every pore.

 

I think you have serious issues with people who don't share your own beliefs.

 

The guy runs a Wanderers forum FFS.

I think you have serious issues with people who don't share your own beliefs.

 

The guy runs a Wanderers forum FFS.

I've no issue with rational beliefs I thinks he's an agenda going on, how else could you turn the stadium being an ACV into a negative? Owners sell stadiums and car parks either to pay debt or even worse for personal gain this now can't happen without the fans first being notified and having the opportunity to purchase it, how can that be negative? Sluffy thinks it is.

Edited May 18, 20179 yr by Mounts Kipper

In administration the Trust have sole rights for 28 days to come up with a deal acceptable to the Administrator, in Pompeys case their Trust came up with an offer after 28 days and had to submit alongside other offers while that was not the best offer on the table the administrator decided to take that offer.

Fine, the point is the trust would still have to be able to offer the best deal for creditors. That needs money. That isn't a guarantee. The trust's motives are to own the club. Not save it. That is the issue. If the current ST get a hold of this great club than that is the end. BWFC are dead.

Fine, the point is the trust would still have to be able to offer the best deal for creditors. That needs money. That isn't a guarantee. The trust's motives are to own the club. Not save it. That is the issue. If the current ST get a hold of this great club than that is the end. BWFC are dead.

As far as my understanding is the trust do not want to own BWFC but they would like to have some shares in the club.

Can you clarify where you heard that? As I seem to have missed that.

the ACV just gives the trust time to get monies togethjer

 

KA, in our case, is under no obligation to take their offer, even if its the best one out there

 

the relationship between the current trust and KA is so fcuked, I doubt he would ever sell to them

 

so, they need to get out of the way

As far as my understanding is the trust do not want to own BWFC but they would like to have some shares in the club.

Can you clarify where you heard that? As I seem to have missed that.

There were 4 parties trying to buy the club from ED. According to ED at least.

 

The ST very publically once formed asked ED for preferred bidder status. That was an effort to buy the club. Not sure how you missed that. Their motive has been clear from day one. 

There were 4 parties trying to buy the club from ED. According to ED at least.

 

The ST very publically once formed asked ED for preferred bidder status. That was an effort to buy the club. Not sure how you missed that. Their motive has been clear from day one. 

 

 

The trust were asked by Trevor Birch to try to bid for the club, I think that the trust was used as a stalking horse by Birch and E.D. to get Holdsworth and K.A. to buy the club. Since then the trust  has not made any statement that they were looking to buy or own the club the intention is to have a share holding and some sway with whoever happens to be the club owner and in the event of administration the ability to act as a potential safety net.         

Not at all you should know that's not how I operate. I asked the questions because from where I'm looking he semed like a WUM however I'll accept he was a fan once when Bill Ridding was manager ???? I'd like to know what was the last game he went too I'd guess Eddie Hodkinson's testimonial, fans normally post about their comments of games and great days out, he just hums negativity has 1 topic of debate and lack of joy about the great game, just constant negativity and diatribe about the trust, even when they actually did something positive.

That was my first ever game at Burnden. I will let you off the spelling.

That was my first ever game at Burnden. I will let you off the spelling.

Must have been predictive text as it would be unforgivable to get one of our legends names wrong. Apologies Mr Hopkinson up there in heaven.

There is no doubt in my mind that the ST would be easily capable of raising enough support and money from the town, council and local business to secure the stadium. I'm not sure if you've a clue what passion this town has for its club, what's your background of supporting BWFC? Can any one vouch that your even a fan? Because I'm thinking your a wind up merchant from Wigan or Tranmere. Come on put your credentials on the line as a fan who are you what's your record of watching Bolton? Are you a season ticket holder? How many aways you been to this season and how long do you go back? Be happy to meet up for a pint so we can discuss some of the great times you have witnessed as a Wanderer name a time and place?

 

i think you are way off. you would be mental to invest in them wankers

i think you are way off. you would be mental to invest in them wankers

You do know that the trust is not just the board but made up of all the members and that folk would be investing in an asset that would then belong to the Trust and not the board and that there can be no financial gain by any of the board members. Be quite interested to hear your views on the current board one by one and the reasons for your comments rather than just rhe blanket comment you've made. If you you can PM or speak to me directly on the phone and it'll stay completely private conversation.

Edited May 18, 20179 yr by Mounts Kipper

You do know that the trust is not just the board but made up of all the members and that folk would be investing in an asset that would then belong to the Trust and not the board and that there can be no financial gain by any of the board members. Be quite interested to hear your views on the current board one by one and the reasons for your comments rather than just rhe blanket comment you've made. If you you can PM or speak to me directly on the phone and it'll stay completely private conversation.

 

i know the board it is who will call the shots. the members do not have any power. if they did the board would be overturned. 

 

i genuinely don't like any of the board. from the information i have had the ST is out for their own gain and are poisonous. a lot of the good folk have ended their involvement. 

i know the board it is who will call the shots. the members do not have any power. if they did the board would be overturned.

 

i genuinely don't like any of the board. from the information i have had the ST is out for their own gain and are poisonous. a lot of the good folk have ended their involvement.

No issues with your comments regarding the board, but how do they gain personally? The legalities of a trust mean no one can gain, my hope is for the trust to go from strength to strength so that it can help the club and also be in s position to have some input all for the betterment of BWFC. What's it take for you to wipe slate clean, get on board? As I know you want exactly what I dd for BWFC.

Edited May 18, 20179 yr by Mounts Kipper

Nice having Sluffy back on here

 

Thanks G, it's very much appreciated.