London Tower Block Engulfed In Flames

[Casino]

What constitutes a formal qualification Michael

I ask, as many lay folk, such as myself, have to carry out FRAs

[Youri McAnespie]

My mate said he went to a benefit concert for The Oldham Street Fire and one of the acts was The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, who's most famous (only?) hit was...

He said the unappreciative crowd didn't take kindly to Arthur introducing 'this one is off our new LP...' songs and began heckling him with "...just play 'Fire' and fuck off!" type comments.

Other bands on the bill included The Bunty Men and The Bent Refs.

As an aside, that tall bird off Look Northwest, she's not on it anymore as she's become a fire bobby...

Apparently if you're fit enough you're young enough these days (she's 40+).

Arnold Ridley's thinking of joining up, when relieved of military duties.

 

[MickyD]

My qualifications to carry out inspections on behalf of the fire service amounted to a one month course; two weeks in a classroom learning the measurements and stuff and two weeks with a Fire Prevention Officer on a station. 
My second fortnight happened to coincide with Warburtons Hereford Street bakery having brand new ovens and conveyor system. Re-drawing those onto existing plans took a week of my course. Measuring and redrawing is a ball ache.

Anyway, it was all I needed to be deemed ‘qualified’ to do my job. Much of a workplace FRA is common sense. Flammable materials kept away from combustibles in a lockable steel container, etc.

Fire Prevention Officers (aka Fire Safety Officers) do further courses, both internally and externally at the National Fire Service College at Morton in Marsh.

 

 

[Casino]

Cheers

[MickyD]

This is where I’d be looking if asked to do a FRA.

[Youri McAnespie]

9 minutes ago, MickyD said:

My qualifications to carry out inspections on behalf of the fire service amounted to a one month course; two weeks in a classroom learning the measurements and stuff and two weeks with a Fire Prevention Officer on a station. 
My second fortnight happened to coincide with Warburtons Hereford Street bakery having brand new ovens and conveyor system. Re-drawing those onto existing plans took a week of my course. Measuring and redrawing is a ball ache.

Anyway, it was all I needed to be deemed ‘qualified’ to do my job. Much of a workplace FRA is common sense. Flammable materials kept away from combustibles in a lockable steel container, etc.

Fire Prevention Officers (aka Fire Safety Officers) do further courses, both internally and externally at the National Fire Service College at Morton in Marsh.

 

 

I got halfway through reading that and just tuned out...

Next time you post sommat similar can you sound an airhorn midway through? Ta.

[Spider]

6 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

I got halfway through reading that and just tuned out...

Next time you post sommat similar can you sound an airhorn midway through? Ta.

Just watch this every few sentences:

 

[Youri McAnespie]

Burn, baby, burn, burn that mother down, disco inferno...

Another child orphaned...

Sick minds we're dealing with...

[MickyD]

13 minutes ago, Spider said:

Just watch this every few sentences:

 

We'r used to visit old folks homes teaching just like that. Rule of thumb used to be:

If an electrical appliance gave off heat then one socket, one appliance

If it gave off light,  one socket two appliances. 

If it gave off sound,  a four gang extension was ok but don't plug a heater into the spare outlet. 

They often took no notice. 

[dave2980]

1 hour ago, MickyD said:

My qualifications to carry out inspections on behalf of the fire service amounted to a one month course; two weeks in a classroom learning the measurements and stuff and two weeks with a Fire Prevention Officer on a station. 
My second fortnight happened to coincide with Warburtons Hereford Street bakery having brand new ovens and conveyor system. Re-drawing those onto existing plans took a week of my course. Measuring and redrawing is a ball ache.

Anyway, it was all I needed to be deemed ‘qualified’ to do my job. Much of a workplace FRA is common sense. Flammable materials kept away from combustibles in a lockable steel container, etc.

Fire Prevention Officers (aka Fire Safety Officers) do further courses, both internally and externally at the National Fire Service College at Morton in Marsh.

 

 

They do a fire module for the NEBOSH qualification if fire is your area of expertise. 

[Dimron]

I was the fire protection contractor at the Reebok enabling 27,500 people to sit on the roof safely for a couple of hours every fortnight

[MickyD]

It required the provision of fire brigade officers patrolling the ground as part of the safety certificate.

[Dimron]

I remember the pressure of getting the first safety certificate, I ended up with 40 odd guys on site for over two weeks and I was buying up fire stopping materials from where-ever I could. I stayed with the job as it HAD to go over, wifey came over to see me at weekend, brought my dog over as I was missing him. 

We made it (just), it was a close run thing

[MickyD]

26 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I remember the pressure of getting the first safety certificate, I ended up with 40 odd guys on site for over two weeks and I was buying up fire stopping materials from where-ever I could. I stayed with the job as it HAD to go over, wifey came over to see me at weekend, brought my dog over as I was missing him. 

We made it (just), it was a close run thing

And the best thing is, most of the vomitories are concrete with no soft furnishings. Drill a hole through to put pipes or services through and it’ll need fire-stopping cement or similar. Put a door in and it must close on rebates, which it does for a few years but then wear and tear prevents it. Does someone do regular fire safety checks to keep things to the same standard as 24 years ago?

[Dimron]

8 hours ago, MickyD said:

And the best thing is, most of the vomitories are concrete with no soft furnishings. Drill a hole through to put pipes or services through and it’ll need fire-stopping cement or similar. Put a door in and it must close on rebates, which it does for a few years but then wear and tear prevents it. Does someone do regular fire safety checks to keep things to the same standard as 24 years ago?

The place was perfectly fire & smoke tight when we left it. I can't account for the plumbers. sparkies and air conditioning installers who have been there since.

All through the job I was telling BWFC/Birse what needed to be done as I had just finished the new stands at Burnley but everyone was kicking the can down the road until the first inspection less than a month before the Everton match and then the brown stuff hit the fan... it was intense. I don't think people realise that the stadium almost did not open as recently happened at Tottenham.

I was never happy with the ducts for the TV/Sky people, the cables had to be pulled through for every televised game, all we could do was seal using intumescent pillows but I know they would have gone amiss very quickly. 

I turned down the work at the hotel as it didn't smell right so that was the end of my involvement.

As I understand things the owners have to carry out FRA to keep the place open but in my day to day work I see some very poor assessments obviously carried out by someone who has been on a web based tick box course.

Fire doors have now become a minefield post Grenfell by the way... we now have to have Loss Prevention Council accreditation to even look at one.

 

[MickyD]

2 hours ago, Dimron said:

Fire doors have now become a minefield post Grenfell by the way... we now have to have Loss Prevention Council accreditation to even look at one.

 

To be fair, making an external cladding from something akin to massive firefighters, no amount of nternal fire doors would’ve helped.

Added to London Fire Brigade’s “stay put” policy the residents were told to sit tight and await rescue. The rescue never came.

The stay put policy was based originally on adequate fire separation between same-floor flats as well as between floors. After all, if you lived in a terraced street you wouldn’t expect a fire at number 1 to affect number 7. A block of high-rise flats is, effectively, a terrace upwards. They’d add the fire-lighter external cladding...

[Dimron]

They might as well have wrapped the block in oily rags.

I suspect the fire stops at the deepened window reveals weren't fitted leaving the new cavity exposed from a fire in a kitchen breaking through... cavity acted like a flue and was lined with combustible material. I have come across a lot of missing cavity stops since building control was dumbed down.

[MickyD]

When it was dumbed down with the Regulatory Reform Order and the onus put on landlords and building owners it was akin to telling those who once had to pay for works to be done when instructed they stand to save a lot of money if they overlook certain stuff. This will only come to light if there is a complete fuck up and someone gets killed. Not a risk I’d put my own name to.