What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

Surprised at the snp taking that viewpoint 🙄

7 minutes ago, kent_white said:

As I've already explained. I'm not arguing that Boris shouldn't go. I'm explaining that I think it will be terrible timing, a propaganda coup for Russia and a blow for our allies in Ukraine. At a moment when they need it the very least. 

More of a coup if he stays. They're already saying we're behind the staged massacres in Bucha.

Now they can just say look at their PM. Lies to parliament, lies to 'his' people. and he has a whole party behind him to enable those lies.

 

5 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Surprised at the snp taking that viewpoint 🙄

I'm not a member of the SNP...

 

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

I'm not a member of the SNP...

Stewart McDonald

Come on Cheese - you don't get many names more Scottish than that. 

Just now, London Wanderer said:

Stewart McDonald

Come on Cheese - you don't get many names more Scottish than that. 

I know Stewart McDonald is, but I agree with him 100%, and I'm not.

25 minutes ago, kent_white said:

There's a huge difference between losing a nurse in the middle of a clinical area losing the leader of a nuclear armed state on the cusp of the very real possibility of a third world war. Scale and potential for harm is important in decision making. 

A better analogy would be finding out a nurse had a drink at the end of a shift 13 months ago, and then sacking him while he was in the middle of performing CPR. It might well be the 'right thing to do' but you might want to hang on until the patient had stabilised. 

If you backtrack a little, you'll notice that I agreed with you that Boris should go. Just that the timing will be terrible and that it would be a shot in the arm for Putin and his regime. 

It sounds like you disagree - and that Putin wouldn't care less. I don't think that's right. Like I've explained - I think it will be a massive propaganda coup for Russia and a blow to Zelensky and the Ukrainians. Right here and now, that's my priority. 

Fair enough, we will agree to differ. I think you over estimate BJs role in the UK defence strategy. There will be a well planned system for these events and he is just a figurehead. If we replaced him tomorrow we would not be any weaker as someone like Ben Wallace could lead this immediately.

Absolutely no one in their right mind would want to lead at this point, with a war going on and inflation at 7%. Sir Kier seems to fancy it though, says it all, absolute madman.

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

Priceless

It will catch up with them all. They will be very lucky if the fines are all that come out from the parties. Was speaking to a civil servant at the weekend who said BJ was absolutely rat arsed that night and had to be escorted to bed after he pissed in a cupboard. I can't provide any proof obviously - but the more that is leaked in the coming weeks then the more plausible that kind of behaviour will seem to folk. 

I wouldn't mind but Defeffal had only had a can of Woodpecker cider.

5 minutes ago, Carlos said:

Absolutely no one in their right mind would want to lead at this point, with a war going on and inflation at 7%. Sir Kier seems to fancy it though, says it all, absolute madman.

It’s what he should be doing. It’s not great timing but I think Starmer would be infinitely better than the circus we have now.

22 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

More of a coup if he stays. They're already saying we're behind the staged massacres in Bucha.

Now they can just say look at their PM. Lies to parliament, lies to 'his' people. and he has a whole party behind him to enable those lies.

 

I don't agree. I think they will be over the moon if he gets potted. Although I'm sure they will act outwardly like they couldn't care less.

The best way we could spin it is to show that we live in a country and a society where nobody is above the law. Not even those at the very top. Although I doubt that message will be the one most ordinary Russians hear, sadly. 

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

I don't agree. I think they will be over the moon if he gets potted.

Why?

14 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Fair enough, we will agree to differ. I think you over estimate BJs role in the UK defence strategy. There will be a well planned system for these events and he is just a figurehead. If we replaced him tomorrow we would not be any weaker as someone like Ben Wallace could lead this immediately.

Fair enough with agreeing to differ. We don't have to hate each other just because we share a difference of opinion. People forget that all the time on here! 🙂

I don't know anything about Ben Wallace apart from what I've heard over the past few months in his role as Defence Secretary. Which included some really ill advised comments about the Crimean War - so I'll have to reserve judgement on that. 

What are his positions on other important issues of the day? I haven't got the foggiest! 

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Fair enough with agreeing to differ. We don't have to hate each other just because we share a difference of opinion. People forget that all the time on here! 🙂

I don't know anything about Ben Wallace apart from what I've heard over the past few months in his role as Defence Secretary. Which included some really ill advised comments about the Crimean War - so I'll have to reserve judgement on that. 

What are his positions on other important issues of the day? I haven't got the foggiest! 

Wallace has a forces background and will have a far better handle on military strategy than Bozo. He could carry on leading our Ukraine response regardless of the PM situation. Someone like Jeremy Hunt could be brought in as temporary leader until a full contest could be held. That would be the best thing all round for our country at this difficult time.

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Why?

I think the Kremlin would be over the moon about the 'downfall in disgrace' of any of the major partners who support the Ukrainians. Whether that was us, the Americans, France, Germany etc and so on and so forth. 

I think Boris Johnson has been more outspoken about Russia than the leaders of most other world powers and comments from Putin and others from within his inner circle seem to suggest that they see the UK as being some kind of 'ringleader' in anti Russian sentiment. 

It is in the West's interests to appear to have the moral high ground, to be stable and to be united. I'm sure a change at the very top will cause at least some doubt amongst our partners about which way the UK will lean and how heavily in the coming months. 

Add to that the fact that it might take some time for other world leaders to fully understand the mindset and intentions of whoever steps into office (and lets be honest - there's no clear front runner - let alone anybody that screams of competence) none of us have any clue who would take over. 

And that all adds up to a whole lot of uncertainty, in a major player in the alliance at a time when what the West needs to present is a united and stable front and it becomes a (much needed) boost for Mr Putin. In my humble opinion. 

Understand that you might vociferously disagree - but those are my feelings. 

 

13 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I don't agree. I think they will be over the moon if he gets potted. Although I'm sure they will act outwardly like they couldn't care less.

The best way we could spin it is to show that we live in a country and a society where nobody is above the law. Not even those at the very top. Although I doubt that message will be the one most ordinary Russians hear, sadly. 

 Russia will be delighted he's  still in post because he's a bumbling ubercunt.

 

 

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I think the Kremlin would be over the moon about the 'downfall in disgrace' of any of the major partners who support the Ukrainians. Whether that was us, the Americans, France, Germany etc and so on and so forth. 

I think Boris Johnson has been more outspoken about Russia than the leaders of most other world powers and comments from Putin and others from within his inner circle seem to suggest that they see the UK as being some kind of 'ringleader' in anti Russian sentiment. 

It is in the West's interests to appear to have the moral high ground, to be stable and to be united. I'm sure a change at the very top will cause at least some doubt amongst our partners about which way the UK will lean and how heavily in the coming months. 

Add to that the fact that it might take some time for other world leaders to fully understand the mindset and intentions of whoever steps into office (and lets be honest - there's no clear front runner - let alone anybody that screams of competence) none of us have any clue who would take over. 

And that all adds up to a whole lot of uncertainty, in a major player in the alliance at a time when what the West needs to present is a united and stable front and it becomes a (much needed) boost for Mr Putin. In my humble opinion. 

Understand that you might vociferously disagree - but those are my feelings. 

 

The French are having an election at this time of 'uncertaincy'.

Should they cancel it?

 

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Wallace has a forces background and will have a far better handle on military strategy than Bozo. He could carry on leading our Ukraine response regardless of the PM situation. Someone like Jeremy Hunt could be brought in as temporary leader until a full contest could be held. That would be the best thing all round for our country at this difficult time.

I think there would have to be a full contest wouldn't there? Which would take a couple of weeks at best.

During which time Russia will be mounting its offensive in the Dombass. 

Nor sure what the precedent is here for succession in this type of situation? Might we end up with Dominic Raab?

 

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

The French are having an election at this time of 'uncertaincy'.

Should they cancel it?

 

No - because it's an election. 

And for the hundredth time - I'm not saying Boris shouldn't go. I'm saying that the timing is unfortunate.

4 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

 Russia will be delighted he's  still in post because he's a bumbling ubercunt.

 

 

At any other time I would agree with you. 

Putin doesn’t give a fuck about UK politics.

NATO is the only concern he has.

Yes we’re a part of it (unless we have a referendum) but to say he’s arsed who our leader is way overstates our sense of importance.

Talking of Macron.

 

7 minutes ago, Spider said:

Putin doesn’t give a fuck about UK politics.

NATO is the only concern he has.

Yes we’re a part of it (unless we have a referendum) but to say he’s arsed who our leader is way overstates our sense of importance.

I don't agree. I think he will have been delighted when we left the EU and he'll be delighted if Bozo gets potted. For the same reason too. In that it makes the West appear weaker.

12 minutes ago, Spider said:

Putin doesn’t give a fuck about UK politics.

NATO is the only concern he has.

Yes we’re a part of it (unless we have a referendum) but to say he’s arsed who our leader is way overstates our sense of importance.

Sorry - I forgot to add 'you deluded cunt' as we're coming at this from different viewpoints 😁

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

I don't agree. I think he will have been delighted when we left the EU and he'll be delighted if Bozo gets potted. For the same reason too. In that it makes the West appear weaker.

Our Prime Minister has admitted to breaking the law while in office, but we can't/won't get rid of him - and that makes us appear "strong" to the rest of the world?