How come there isn't a thread for this ?

Is it because they've revealed their true colours, excuse the deliberate pun.

Folk were warned re their true intentions, but as always called racist by the naive.

9 minutes ago, royal white said:

Many players are still associating it with BLM as are the media. 

If you ask the majority of fans what kneeling represents I’m guessing the majority will say BLM.

 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/amp/football/55151065

 

Even if the majority think that (which I doubt), it doesn't make it true. At this point - if you truly believe that players are kneeling in favour of people toppling statues and spraying graffiti on war memorials, you're either looking for an excuse to condemn an anti-racism campaign, or you're willfully ignorant. It's as simple as that.

Edited December 9, 20205 yr by Cheese

34 minutes ago, Cheese said:

That's not THE problem - it's THEIR problem. If you feel strongly enough about something to boo it in public, you should probably understand what it is first.

Millwall fans explained BEFORE last Saturday's game that they would not support their players " taking the knee" because it is a symbol of the BLM, an extremist left wing political group, not because they opposed anti-racism.

The biggest problem with "BLM" is differentiating between the slogan and the movement.

Some will always oppose it now due to linking it to the protests and the defacing of monuments etc rather than just accepting it as a slogan.

It's a shame really.

On 08/12/2020 at 11:26, Cheese said:

So there should be no booing tonight. I can already hear the excuses if there is.

There was no booing because ,as had already been explained to you, the problem was with their players "taking the knee ".

It seems that it is you who cannot understand....not the Millwall fans

5 minutes ago, bolton va va said:

Millwall fans explained BEFORE last Saturday's game that they would not support their players " taking the knee" because it is a symbol of the BLM, an extremist left wing political group, not because they opposed anti-racism.

And an incredibly considered viewpoint it was.

Well done to them, they've made it worse for their views on BLM. 

4 minutes ago, bolton va va said:

There was no booing because ,as had already been explained to you, the problem was with their players "taking the knee ".

It seems that it is you who cannot understand....not the Millwall fans

The mental gymnastics people jump through. It must be exhausting.

5 minutes ago, bolton va va said:

Millwall fans explained BEFORE last Saturday's game that they would not support their players " taking the knee" because it is a symbol of the BLM, an extremist left wing political group, not because they opposed anti-racism.

Where? And if they did, surely they didn't suggest any player who took the knee would be doing so in favour of vandalism and graffiti? (Or Marxism for the more imaginative amongst them)

I’m not sure why people cannot accept that a section of the public have an issue with the BLM movement. As such as long as “anybody” affiliates with them or uses gestures that have been adopted by that group, some people will have an issue with it. As is their absolute right to do so. 

Not aimed at Millwall in particular,  but I reckon there's a lot of people up and down the country who'd never even heard of Marxism before the summer, but now use it as a reason not to support BLM.

Ive got an issue with it. If that makes me a racist in your eyes so be it. That says more about you than it does about me. 

Its the hiding behind it that sticks in the craw. So let's not.pretend (for the 100th time, this is about political views)

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

Its the hiding behind it that sticks in the craw. So let's not.pretend (for the 100th time, this is about political views)

So I’m a racist in your opinion correct? Just so I’m sure? 

8 minutes ago, DazBob said:

The biggest problem with "BLM" is differentiating between the slogan and the movement.

Some will always oppose it now due to linking it to the protests and the defacing of monuments etc rather than just accepting it as a slogan.

It's a shame really.

Talking of defacing statues, four charged with vandalism and tipping a statue into Bristol Harbour

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/09/four-charged-over-damage-to-colston-statue-in-bristol

Just now, Escobarp said:

I’m not sure why people cannot accept that a section of the public have an issue with the BLM movement. As such as long as “anybody” affiliates with them or uses gestures that have been adopted by that group, some people will have an issue with it. As is their absolute right to do so. 

In steps Escobarp with his "I'm totally impartial, but..." routine 

Just now, Escobarp said:

Ive got an issue with it. If that makes me a racist in your eyes so be it. That says more about you than it does about me. 

Have an issue with graffiti then, not BLM.

Its really not that difficult this stuff.

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

Have an issue with graffiti then, not BLM.

Its really not that difficult this stuff.

So you’re now telling me what I should do? 

Just now, Cheese said:

In steps Escobarp with his "I'm totally impartial, but..." routine 

Where have I ever said I’m impartial? You’re lying again. 

Just now, Escobarp said:

So I’m a racist in your opinion correct? Just so I’m sure? 

Now, now behave young sir - just go back over the posts, stop doing 'The Bolty'

1 minute ago, MickyD said:

Talking of defacing statues, four charged with vandalism and tipping a statue into Bristol Harbour

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/09/four-charged-over-damage-to-colston-statue-in-bristol

Good.

Whether the statue was right or wrong, it's not up to angry mobs to decide what they want to destroy.

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

Now, now behave young sir - just go back over the posts, stop doing 'The Bolty'

I’m not doing an anyone. I’m asking a question that’s all?

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

So you’re now telling me what I should do? 

Behave, you can get right angry very quickly. 

City have a huge flag covering some of the stand that says Black Lives Matters 

Appreciate we’ve talked a lot about how the PL & EFL clubs have tried to distance themselves from it but its still clear the protests are linked to the BLM movement 

The BLM does have political opinions that our system is racist, if clubs and players want to be linked to that then it’s fine, it’s their decision and everyone has a right to that opinion. However they also need to respect that many people don't believe in that opinion and they should be free to voice their objection, freedom of speech as long as you don’t take it too far (abusive etc) 

It feels like Millwall and their fans came to a compromise that allowed an anti racism message get across without anything divisive, such a compromise between a club, it’s players and fans is a good thing surely 

I don’t believe that I’m a racist, I certainly do t think that Black Lives Don’t Matter, however I fundamentally disagree with the opinions of the BLM movement. If BWFC want to support it then fine, I’d like to think it’s within my rights to voice my disapproval if so 

Just now, Escobarp said:

I’m not doing an anyone. I’m asking a question that’s all?

😁 I do.like it when you're in a combative mood.

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

The mental gymnastics people jump through. It must be exhausting.

Mental gymnastics ??? I don't think it could be made clearer for you. Millwall supporters made it clear that they would not support their players "taking the knee" because it is a symbol of a extremist left wing group.....their players "took the knee' & the supporters booed them......next game, their players did not "take the knee" & made an anti-racist message.......& the supporters clapped them.

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

Behave, you can get right angry very quickly. 

I’m really not angry. Sat here watching great British menu. I’m just asking why it’s appropriate for somebody with such a questionable track record to start to tell me what to do?