Is it kicking off big time or is this just everyday stuff they deal with or a bit of both?

 

8 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

As our government have proscribed Palastine Action a terrorist group, is Zarah Sultana a terrorist or am I taking her comments too literally?

 

That won’t go down well with our Israeli backing government. 

12 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

As our government have proscribed Palastine Action a terrorist group, is Zarah Sultana a terrorist or am I taking her comments too literally?

 

Reckon she'll be on her way out now

Article I read reckons she's a Corbynista 

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Well you said it was the “deliberate actions of Israel.” You obviously don’t think Hamas are to blame for any of this. I’m not sure if that’s because you are being naive or a bit simple. Probably a bit of both,

And now you get onto the insults 😂! Classic MAGA-style playbook 👏. Thanks for not disappointing 😘 

1 minute ago, Bertie said:

And now you get onto the insults 😂! Classic MAGA-style playbook 👏. Thanks for not disappointing 😘 

“MAGA style” 😂😂

 

3 minutes ago, Zico said:

Reckon she'll be on her way out now

Article I read reckons she's a Corbynista 

She was suspended from Labour Party last July 

39 minutes ago, royal white said:

I asked Bertie a simple, for Some reason he has refused to answer. Let’s see if you can do better. Is it all the fault of Isreal or do Hamas have a big part to play in it as well? 

What would be good is if Israel let some impartial international journalists into Gaza so we can find out for ourselves what's going on in there instead of all this guess work

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

The ones administrating the whole aid process. Basically the Israeli government & IDF. 

The UN have refused to cooperate with them since they announced they were taking control of aid distribution.

COGAT has assured us that enough aid is getting through. That’s good isn’t it. Let’s ignore all the evidence showing otherwise. All those malnourished kids in hospitals are just Hamas propaganda 👍

What a mess they’re making of it.

Almost as if it’s part of an ongoing agenda to make Gaza uninhabitable & drive the Palestinians out. What’s the word for that again? 

Realistically element of propaganda on both sides .

The first victim of war is the truth. 

13 hours ago, royal white said:

Is it just Israel or do Hamas have some part to play in this? 

Pointless asking bleeding heart liberals questions like that mate.

5 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

You can't untangle politics from it.

Pure politics (or religion dominated politics) that has led to it.

Other reports suggest plenty of food is going in.

Where does the reality lie, fuck knows.

We've all seen clips showing injured and hungry people previously, and I've no intention of becoming a grief junky by viewing every video out there.

If it's causing you to have sleeping difficulties, then it would be wise for you to reduce your level of viewing too, as it will affect you negatively and make no difference to the situation.

...and there is rarely any mention of the warlords with their militia who also help themselves and offer to sell confiscated foodstuffs for inflated prices.

Easier to just blame Israel.

The highlighted part shows wisdom.

50 minutes ago, royal white said:

I asked Bertie a simple, for Some reason he has refused to answer. Let’s see if you can do better. Is it all the fault of Isreal or do Hamas have a big part to play in it as well? 

..and it's always the same crowd whining and posting Hamas inspired content. Easier to tune out. We know what they are going to say. Remember when Gazan militants blew up one of their own hospitals and lied about it being the IDF? The same crowd were whining then toeing the Hamas line then too.

It will be over when Israel says it's over. Hamas fired the starting gun, Israel will wave the chequered flag when the race is won. No doubt we have more bleeding heart stuff for some time to come.

25 minutes ago, royal white said:

Well you said it was the “deliberate actions of Israel.” You obviously don’t think Hamas are to blame for any of this. I’m not sure if that’s because you are being naive or a bit simple. Probably a bit of both,

No, it's because he's unable to decouple or compartmentalise things. 

Maybe the IDF don’t want to get to close to organisations like the UN and who could blame them? 
 

Some won’t watch this. 
 

 

24 minutes ago, Bertie said:

And now you get onto the insults 😂! Classic MAGA-style playbook 👏. Thanks for not disappointing 😘 

He can rarely last a few posts discussing something without throwing an insult in. It’s just his style ❤️

30 minutes ago, Ani said:

She was suspended from Labour Party last July 

so she's still a member of the party? her twitter bio still claims she's an MP

if so, perhaps this will be the final straw, assuming they can sack her or kick her out if they want

14 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

No, it's because he's unable to decouple or compartmentalise things. 

Thanks for not having me on ignore after all.  I knew you’d be having sneaky peaks 🥰.

15 minutes ago, royal white said:

Maybe the IDF don’t want to get to close to organisations like the UN and who could blame them? 
 

Some won’t watch this. 
 

 

Watched it and agree it was/is outrageous. Hamas are evil and need to be eliminated. I think I’ve said that umpteen times before.

Now, about those kids who are starving due to Israel’s aid and food blockade…..

 

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1 hour ago, royal white said:

I asked Bertie a simple, for Some reason he has refused to answer. Let’s see if you can do better. Is it all the fault of Isreal or do Hamas have a big part to play in it as well? 

Of course I think Hamas have played a big part in this. Not sure why you’re asking to be honest. I’ve said throughout all this that they’re as bad as the current extremists running Israel. The reality is that the IDF are now delivering aid, so as the occupying force, they have a duty to do it right. Or they need to hand it back to the UN. And the aid blockades we’ve seen are never justified. 
 

Just surprises me that folk still paint this conflict as Israel vs ‘the baddies’. Whilst we’re using words like simple, let’s look at how simplistic an argument that is.

It’s pretty much that every time Israel does something horrific, then the answer is ‘but Hamas’. With no acknowledgement of the horrors occurring in the West Bank or any alternative agendas they’ve announced for Gaza.

Why shouldn’t Palestine be given sovereignty? 

38 minutes ago, Zico said:

What would be good is if Israel let some impartial international journalists into Gaza so we can find out for ourselves what's going on in there instead of all this guess work

There’s plenty NGOs & doctors who’ve confirmed the horrors to be fair.

But yes, they should. Seems fairly clear why they won’t, & it’s not for their own safety.

 They didn’t care about the safety of journalists & paramedics in the past when they gunned them down.

9 minutes ago, Zico said:

so she's still a member of the party? her twitter bio still claims she's an MP

if so, perhaps this will be the final straw, assuming they can sack her or kick her out if they want

She was suspended for voting against the government not for her views. 
There could be another 120 next week! 

5 minutes ago, Bertie said:

Watched it and agree it was/is outrageous. Hamas are evil and need to be eliminated. I think I’ve said that umpteen times before.

Now, about those kids who are starving due to Israel’s aid and food blockade…..

 

There isn’t a blockade. Food and aid is going in. It’s being coordinated by COGAT and GHF. They took over it’s distribution because Hamas kept highjacking the UN controlled distribution and stealing the aid and food.

29 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

..and it's always the same crowd whining and posting Hamas inspired content. Easier to tune out. We know what they are going to say. Remember when Gazan militants blew up one of their own hospitals and lied about it being the IDF? The same crowd were whining then toeing the Hamas line then too.

It will be over when Israel says it's over. Hamas fired the starting gun, Israel will wave the chequered flag when the race is won. No doubt we have more bleeding heart stuff for some time to come.

Do what they want because of the Hamas attack.

Doesnt matter if it’s genocide, or ethnic cleansing. They deserve it all because of Hamas.

This didn’t start because of Hamas for what it’s worth. But thats another story.

 

Just now, BobyBrno said:

There isn’t a blockade. Food and aid is going in. It’s being coordinated by COGAT and GHF. They took over it’s distribution because Hamas kept highjacking the UN controlled distribution and stealing the aid and food.

Crikey

head in the sand

 they took over because they want Gaza for themselves. Israel have already admitted that.

14 minutes ago, Bertie said:

Watched it and agree it was/is outrageous. Hamas are evil and need to be eliminated. I think I’ve said that umpteen times before.

Now, about those kids who are starving due to Israel’s aid and food blockade…..

 

But Israel have shown food going through. Granted they could be doing better hence why I won’t blame them solely. Which is exactly what you’re doing here 👍

4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Crikey

head in the sand

 they took over because they want Gaza for themselves. Israel have already admitted that.

Thats an opinion. There are others. 

47 minutes ago, Zico said:

so she's still a member of the party? her twitter bio still claims she's an MP

if so, perhaps this will be the final straw, assuming they can sack her or kick her out if they want

She is suspended but she was elected as an MP so can stay as either an Independent or even join Reform.