They seem to have got themselves into a bit of a pickle. The daft racist cunts.

A very good article here from Athers about the failure of due process.

 

Lord Patel possibly facing contempt of court charges now

Sloppy work from EBC’s barrister. Hope he’s on no win no fee.

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Any decent reports available that aren't hidden behind a paywall?

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Any decent reports available that aren't hidden behind a paywall?

Have you tried The Mail. I haven’t, but no paywall?

The public part of the inquiry finished earlier this month. The report is due by the end of the month. That’s the racism accusations. There is still the matter of all the other folk who were working there who got relieved of their jobs - doc, physio, etc

Michael Vaughan cleared. Pleased with that. 

13 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Michael Vaughan cleared. Pleased with that. 

How's that?

1 minute ago, Traf said:

How's that?

DRS. 😊

Good news. Another great example by the bbc. Not.

Hope he had a good glass or two of his favourite and can put the injustice behind him. 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-vindication-of-michael-vaughan/

Edited March 31, 20233 yr by Tonge moor green jacket

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Good news. Another great example by the bbc. Not.

Hope he had a good glass or two of his favourite and can put the injustice behind him. 

Seen lots of reports on the verdict. Only seen the BBC quote ‘ on the balance of probabilities’ 

Fair enough. On the balance of probabilities, Rafiq was telling lies. 

13 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Seen lots of reports on the verdict. Only seen the BBC quote ‘ on the balance of probabilities’ 

Fair enough. On the balance of probabilities, Rafiq the racist was telling lies. 

 

3 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Seen lots of reports on the verdict. Only seen the BBC quote ‘ on the balance of probabilities’ 

Fair enough. On the balance of probabilities, Rafiq was telling lies. 

All the others were found guilty on the balance of probabilities, but none of them captained an Ashes winning team.

10 hours ago, Traf said:

All the others were found guilty on the balance of probabilities, but none of them captained an Ashes winning team.

5 of them never gave a defence as they refused to be part of the process. They may appeal though.

13 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Seen lots of reports on the verdict. Only seen the BBC quote ‘ on the balance of probabilities’ 

 

LBC said the same which isnt a surprise seeing the phrase was specically used in the judgement

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Casino said:

LBC said the same which isnt a surprise seeing the phrase was specically used in the judgement

 

 

 

If 3 of the 4 heard it, surely the probability is that he said it?
Or are the CDC saying they've colluded to accuse MV?

I dunno

And, lets not forget

7 out of 8 charges proven

Even if he uttered the phrase, what is the context?

What else did he say before and after?

It could have had a completely different meaning.

Unlike writing an anti-jewish protest on face ache. 

Can't blame anyone else for not giving evidence in a way. Context is so important but all that seems to go out of the window at times.

One thing to come out of this, will be a potential for miss-trust of different groups that may take some while to dissipate.

An interesting take on it. Long but worth a read…
 

Rafiq’s personal crusade has cost him everything
Hearing paints accuser as a dubious narrator in episode that threw former captain’s livelihood into jeopardy

Oliver Brown

It is a revision of history, to put it mildly, for Azeem Rafiq now to claim that his quest to expose institutional racism in English cricket “has never been about individuals”. For if there is one distinguishing quality about this most scalding of episodes, it is its intensely personal nature, with Rafiq so implacable in his feud with Michael Vaughan, he went to every length to traduce him for an alleged 14-year-old remark that the Cricket Discipline Commission resolves, “on the balance of probabilities”, the former England captain did not say.
Not about individuals? Try telling that to Vaughan, who has spent the past 16 months, since first discovering that his name appeared in Rafiq’s report, watching his livelihood thrown into jeopardy and his reputation put through the mangle by unsubstantiated assertions and a shoddy England and Wales Cricket Board investigation.
Rafiq, of course, has suffered grievously, too. He has had to pack up his home in Barnsley and move his family abroad, driven to deep mental anguish by the torrential abuse. But by sustaining his pursuit of Vaughan through to the bitterest of conclusions, he has arguably lost everything.
His testimony in support of allegation was dismissed as flimsy, incomplete and ultimately without merit
In the CDC verdict, the idea of Rafiq’s credibility as a narrator took a battering. Not only were there found to be “significant inconsistencies” in his evidence, the panel also identified “inaccuracy and unreliability” in his account of what happened at Trent Bridge on June 22, 2009. It was all a far cry from his day in front of the Department of Digital, Culture, Media and Sport’s select committee in November 2021, when he was roundly applauded for his courage as a whistleblower. This time, his testimony in support of the infamous “you lot” allegation against Vaughan was dismissed as flimsy, incomplete and ultimately without merit.
Rafiq insists that he feels vindicated, highlighting how “seven of the eight charges” brought by the ECB against Yorkshire were upheld. The one that was rejected, however, could scarcely be more important. Vaughan, as Yorkshire’s talisman at the time, was central to the entire case, the one player whom Rafiq admitted he idolised as a child and whose alleged comments on that midsummer’s day in Nottingham had, he said, cut him to the quick. Vaughan’s was the head the ECB wanted on a spike. If it could be shown that the symbol of the 2005 Ashes glory was implicated in a racist dressing-room culture at England’s largest county, the game would be left with little choice but to believe the accuser over the accused.
Except this affair has long since ceased to be about systemic racism. It all unravelled into an interminable battle of one man’s word against another’s, with the “you lot” remark so intrinsic to the CDC’s Fleet Street hearing that it spent hour after fruitless hour analysing Sky’s on-field footage trying – and failing – to establish what was said.
Racism, as Vaughan has indicated in his reflections on the psychological toll this has all taken, is perhaps the worst accusation you can level at anybody. Philip Roth dedicated a whole novel, The Human Stain, to demonstrating how even a blameless man could be ruined by the slur. It clings to the subjects like tar. So, if you are going to throw this particular flame-thrower, you had better have stronger supporting ammunition than one widely-disputed comment from 2009 that six Yorkshire players in the immediate vicinity argued they never even heard.
It was far from the only problem in Rafiq’s impugning of Vaughan’s integrity. It also did not help that Rafiq was no angel himself. Within days of the DCMS hearing, it emerged that Rafiq had used anti-Semitic messages in Facebook exchanges with another player in 2011, when he was 19.
He apologised unreservedly, stating he had become a “different person”, even going so far as to meet a Holocaust survivor at Camden Jewish Museum.
At the same time, a woman released texts to The Yorkshire Post that Rafiq had sent her in 2015, describing them as “creepy” and criticising him for his treatment of women.
Rafiq had unfulfilled potential as a cricketer. While an accomplished captain of Yorkshire’s T20 team, he never represented England at senior level, after being dropped from the under-19s for breaking curfews during a series against Sri Lanka. That record of indiscipline would cost him, with some of his Yorkshire peer group, not least Joe Root and Gary Ballance, going on to be fixtures of the international Test side while he found himself frozen out.
As Vaughan has stressed, this process should never have been so adversarial. It should never have reached the point where he and Rafiq were facing off inside an oppressive London conference room, with silks engaged for exorbitant sums. Vaughan had tried to reach an out-of-court resolution once before, arranging a conversation at the Holiday Inn in Wakefield, a meeting at which Rafiq was happy enough to pose for a joint photograph. But it still could not derail the runaway train of claim and counter-claim, culminating in an 82-page CDC document exonerating Vaughan and painting Rafiq as a dubious narrator.
For all his protestations of victory, that is quite the indictment.

A similar tone to the article I linked to.

Really feel for Vaughan.

56 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

A similar tone to the article I linked to.

Really feel for Vaughan.

So do I 

Also feel sorry for all the other staff on the medical side who got sacked. Next up, this time in Crown Court, is Wayne Morton. He’s suing them for the remaining two years of his contract. The rest of the medical staff can’t afford the legal fees so are royally screwed. It’s a right shit show. ECB have screwed up big time 

10 hours ago, MancWanderer said:

So do I 

Also feel sorry for all the other staff on the medical side who got sacked. Next up, this time in Crown Court, is Wayne Morton. He’s suing them for the remaining two years of his contract. The rest of the medical staff can’t afford the legal fees so are royally screwed. It’s a right shit show. ECB have screwed up big time 

Cock up. Once his previous racist comments came out, it should have been over. The ECB clearly wanted to favour one group over another. Yorkshire too made a pigs ear of it. It’ll hit them where it hurts most; in the pocket.

 

Edited April 4, 20233 yr by globaldiver

Only winners here are the lawyers who have taken some massive fees

14 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

Only winners here are the lawyers who have taken some massive fees

T'was ever thus.

On the pitch;

 

lost after posting 517 int first innings