They seem to have got themselves into a bit of a pickle. The daft racist cunts.

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

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Just read the paper my forthright friend, I'm sure your input would be invaluable.

Or don't.

I'm not bothered in the slightest, I have no dog in this fight.

I read it. It’s one paper from one person.  I’ve been involved in cricket for 50 years. It was totally wrong In my  opinion. Based on your knowledge of cricket, what do you think?

Racism is stupid

22 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

I read it. It’s one paper from one person.  I’ve been involved in cricket for 50 years. It was totally wrong In my  opinion. Based on your knowledge of cricket, what do you think?

You just don’t get it 

5 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

You just don’t get it 

Yeh. Really pisses me off that people try to politicise something they nothing about. 
 

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

 

Ive never encountered any class issues.

Apart from the bit where you just said you did?

 

Anyway Im not arsed, I just know what Ive read and heard. 

Cricket at county level is a middle class sport whatever you want to say. Public school lads will always have the advantage in the higher echelons of the game.

You refer to "better" schools, thats a class issue in itself. 

 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Apart from the bit where you just said you did?

 

 

Cricket at county level is a middle class sport whatever you want to say. Public school lads will always have the advantage in the higher echelons of the game.

 

 

 

 

 

Look at the top players in the game and name me those who have come from a public school background and those who haven’t. In fact, name me any public school player who has had an advantage over any other player.

8 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Look at the top players in the game and name me those who have come from a public school background and those who haven’t. In fact, name me any public school player who has had an advantage over any other player.

Indeed.

Frankly a lot of talk of "class" is bollocks. 

Just folk putting up barriers that aren't really there.

The inference that public school lads always have the advantage higher up, if plain wrong.

They may have the benefit if playing the game at school, but as you say, local cricket clubs are the lifeline of the game widely.

It is also not something to beat the public schools with neither; more the need for secondary schools to get back to a balance of academic and sporting education, rather than the unbalanced set up we find now.

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Yeh. Really pisses me off that people try to politicise something they nothing about. 
 

Ive not politicised anything, I've just mentioned an academic paper that was mentioned in an article I read, which I found interesting and contradicts some of the things you were saying.

Sorry if you think that was politicising things, but academic research doesn't have a political bais otherwise it doesn't get published.

Again, read it or don't, find out more about a subject or don't, it doesn't bother me.

14 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Look at the top players in the game and name me those who have come from a public school background and those who haven’t. In fact, name me any public school player who has had an advantage over any other player.

Ive just listened to a full week of ex players and pundits papping on about on 5 live and talksport.

Its not me you should be arguing with.

 

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

I read it. It’s one paper from one person.  I’ve been involved in cricket for 50 years. It was totally wrong In my  opinion. Based on your knowledge of cricket, what do you think?

You didn't go to college & write a paper on it so it's obviously a class issue, ergo NiC is correct 😁

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

I read it. It’s one paper from one person.  I’ve been involved in cricket for 50 years. It was totally wrong In my  opinion. Based on your knowledge of cricket, what do you think?

Well it is a collection of people and it not an opinion, its based on research undertaken and qualitive research. Its not a newpaper opinion piece.

I think you are quite clearly demonstrating why cricket is under the microscope for being slightly stuck in problematic modes of thinking better than I ever could.

A refusal to acknowledge recommendations that have been made directly from that paper and been acted upon by cricket authorities isn't a great look.

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Ive not politicised anything, I've just mentioned an academic paper that was mentioned in an article I read, which I found interesting and contradicts some of the things you were saying.

Sorry if you think that was politicising things, but academic research doesn't have a political bais otherwise it doesn't get published.

Again, read it or don't, find out more about a subject or don't, it doesn't bother me.

I told you. I read it. Just because he’s an academic, it doesn’t mean he’s right. It’s his opinion. You don’t have an opinion because it’s a subject you know nothing about.

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

Well it is a collection of people and it not an opinion, its based on research undertaken and qualitive research. Its not a newpaper opinion piece.

I think you are quite clearly demonstrating why cricket is under the microscope for being slightly stuck in problematic modes of thinking better than I ever could.

A refusal to acknowledge recommendations that have been made directly from that paper and been acted upon by cricket authorities isn't a great look.

And trying to promote an agenda in a sport you obviously know nothing about isn't a great look either. 

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Well it is a collection of people and it not an opinion, its based on research undertaken and qualitive research. Its not a newpaper opinion piece.

I think you are quite clearly demonstrating why cricket is under the microscope for being slightly stuck in problematic modes of thinking better than I ever could.

A refusal to acknowledge recommendations that have been made directly from that paper and been acted upon by cricket authorities isn't a great look.

😅😅😅😅

Just now, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

You didn't go to college & write a paper on it so it's obviously a class issue, ergo NiC is correct 😁

I'm not making a point about anything, I'm just pointing to an article that is based on actual research.

As with most things nowadays, we've had enough of experts. But given the choice of a paper based on qual research across the game and a bloke on a football message board, I know who I'd be listening to. 

 

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

The thing that annoys me most about this is the accusation that Cricket has a problem with racism. It is no more institutionally racist than any other sport. In my opinion and experience, it’s one of the most diverse sports going. Largely due to the sports popularity in the commonwealth countries. 
Back in 1970 when I first went to Old Trafford to watch Lancashire, we had Clive Lloyd and Farokh Engineer (I’ve been to his house to discuss a potential television programme for  Indian TV. I’ll explain another day) playing for us. 
Many other Counties also had overseas players in their teams. More than any sport. Certainly football. That has continued to this day. 
One man’s testimony has tarred a great sport. One man who’s proven to be both a liar, racist, sex pest and Anti Semitic. This is the ‘big picture’

Perfectly put 👍

6 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Ive just listened to a full week of ex players and pundits papping on about on 5 live and talksport.

Its not me you should be arguing with.

 

I’m not arguing. I’m disagreeing.

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

I told you. I read it. Just because he’s an academic, it doesn’t mean he’s right. It’s his opinion. You don’t have an opinion because it’s a subject you know nothing about.

It's not 'his opinion' it's based on qualitive research across the game. He didn't just sit down and go, oh I've had a thought and spunk out a load of stuff off the top of his head and it got published. Blimey, it's not that difficult to grasp.

And I've not ventured a personal opinion either way so I have nothing to do with it.

 

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

😅😅😅😅

🤗🤗🤗😛

In 2020 45% of the men being employed to play county cricket who were educated in this country come from a private school background but only 7% of the population go to independent schools.

So summat’s not right somewhere.

3 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

In 2020 45% of the men being employed to play county cricket who were educated in this country come from a private school background but only 7% of the population go to independent schools.

So summat’s not right somewhere.

Not enough comprehensive schools play cricket.

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

It's not 'his opinion' it's based on qualitive research across the game. He didn't just sit down and go, oh I've had a thought and spunk out a load of stuff off the top of his head and it got published. Blimey, it's not that difficult to grasp.

And I've not ventured a personal opinion either way so I have nothing to do with it.

 

You haven’t a clue. You just picked up some article in the Guardian from one bloke that suits your contrary narrative. You have nothing to compare it against, nothing to judge whether it’s fair or not. 

6 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

In 2020 45% of the men being employed to play county cricket who were educated in this country come from a private school background but only 7% of the population go to independent schools.

So summat’s not right somewhere.

Any ideas what the figures are for professional football? 

7 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

In 2020 45% of the men being employed to play county cricket who were educated in this country come from a private school background but only 7% of the population go to independent schools.

So summat’s not right somewhere.

Source?

7 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

In 2020 45% of the men being employed to play county cricket who were educated in this country come from a private school background but only 7% of the population go to independent schools.

So summat’s not right somewhere.

Or Rugby League vs Union?