Injuries

[Stig]

17 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

You missed Dan off your list of misfits. Now he really is a stick to beat Evatt with.

He's a stick to beat Evatt with for buying him in the first place.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

We're not playing as well this season, or consistently, for sure.

Saying the players brought in are worse or have not improved the squad doesn't add up though.

We were biz second half of last season with those players.

Evatt's lack of flexibility and tactical nous don't seem to be helping. 

He needs to improve as does the coaching, before we can really assess the players. 

[bolton va va]

Maghoma is a big miss & hasn't been replaced which wouldn't be easy at Div 1 level, but nobody was bothered when the rest left & when everyone's fit , they wouldn't make the 1st team squad. ( The best bet is Conway who seems to be doing well at Crewe, but best to leave him there while he's progressing for now ) 

The bigger issue is the injury list of Baxter,Toal, Thomasson, Dempsey, Tutu, Forino, Mendes Gomes,Jones, Lolos....the first 4 would be first choice players.

The question of why are we suffering so many injuries, like last season,.... buying crocks ?? training methods ??.., is more relevant than pretending that players who weren't good enough when with us are worldbeaters now that they've gone . . 

[gonzo]

43 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

You’re just making excuses for him now. Id cut him some slack if he could react during a game when it is obviously not working. However, he doesn’t change things quickly enough or make subs that tactically impact the game. He could try ten plans but if it always includes five at the back and an overrun midfield it isn’t going to make any difference.

No I'm not. You are the one who listed a load of ex players suggesting he was wrong to let them go. 

I'm saying those players wouldn't improve us in anyway. (Bar dapo&paris)

Now you're brining actual things to call him out for. 

Said it a million times there's enough sticks to beat him with. You don't need to invent new ones.

 

[Farrelli]

47 minutes ago, gonzo said:

No I'm not. You are the one who listed a load of ex players suggesting he was wrong to let them go. 

I'm saying those players wouldn't improve us in anyway. (Bar dapo&paris)

Now you're brining actual things to call him out for. 

Said it a million times there's enough sticks to beat him with. You don't need to invent new ones.

 

Yes you are. Dapo was an enigma. That’s a bollocks excuse. Evatt took a very good player and lost him completely.

Evatt doesn’t know how to use or tactically organise the players in his squad and he never will because he is trying to impose a flawed system for L1 players. 
 

Morley is thriving whether you like it or not and I’m not surprised because he probably has a manager who knows how to get the best out of him. 

[gonzo]

Just now, Farrelli said:

Yes you are. Dapo was an enigma. That’s a bollocks excuse. Evatt took a very good player and lost him completely.

Evatt doesn’t know how to use or tactically organise the players in his squad and he never will because he is trying to impose a flawed system for L1 players. 
 

Morley is thriving whether you like it or not and I’m not surprised because he probably has a manager who knows how to get the best out of him. 

Morley is playing for Wycombe where he's walked straight in to the team.

Who's place is he taking in our team when are midfield is fit?

He wanted first team football and asked to leave.

Dapo could only play in a system that we didn't play. That particular system was successful. If he was still here he would have the same issue. Evatt tried him in every single position available. None of which worked unless he was off the left in a 442 or similar.

Which flawed system are we talking about here? The one that didn't work at the start of the season? Or the one that worked getting 13 points out of 15 and nearly got us promoted last season? 

[peebles]

2 hours ago, Duck Egg said:

You missed Dan off your list of misfits. Now he really is a stick to beat Evatt with.

I will never fathom that one out. Mental really.

[Farrelli]

29 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Morley is playing for Wycombe where he's walked straight in to the team.

Who's place is he taking in our team when are midfield is fit?

He wanted first team football and asked to leave.

Dapo could only play in a system that we didn't play. That particular system was successful. If he was still here he would have the same issue. Evatt tried him in every single position available. None of which worked unless he was off the left in a 442 or similar.

Which flawed system are we talking about here? The one that didn't work at the start of the season? Or the one that worked getting 13 points out of 15 and nearly got us promoted last season? 

Wycombe are third in the league, we are 14th.

Morley didnt walk into their team but was on the bench a few times.  Since he has been playing they have been unbeaten in about ten games. He has been playing centre midfield which is where he should be. 
 

Re Dapo. We should have played 4-4-2 with him wide left. We should have binned five at the back a long time ago because it only ever worked when we had Bradley who is a quality wing back. Why not try it as Dapo was head and shoulders our best player. Instead Evatt dropped him and then threw him on as sub in a number 10 position which didn’t work and he did the same with Sadlier.

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by Farrelli

[peebles]

We're playing far too strong teams in the Bristol St Motors (again after saying we've learnt our lesson). I suspect he's playing stronger teams because he's under pressure & needs the result. On his head be it, Thomason started against Villa u15's & his injury could well be from that, not 'in training'

[Farrelli]

45 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Morley is playing for Wycombe where he's walked straight in to the team.

Who's place is he taking in our team when are midfield is fit?

He wanted first team football and asked to leave.

Dapo could only play in a system that we didn't play. That particular system was successful. If he was still here he would have the same issue. Evatt tried him in every single position available. None of which worked unless he was off the left in a 442 or similar.

Which flawed system are we talking about here? The one that didn't work at the start of the season? Or the one that worked getting 13 points out of 15 and nearly got us promoted last season? 

And you can name any system we have used in a big game during 2024 because none of them worked apart from Barnsley first leg play off game. Wigan, Blackpool, Derby, Barnsley second leg, Oxford play off final, Birmingham, Wrexham. Goals scored two. Useless!

[Casino]

15 minutes ago, peebles said:

We're playing far too strong teams in the Bristol St Motors (again after saying we've learnt our lesson). I suspect he's playing stronger teams because he's under pressure & needs the result. On his head be it, Thomason started against Villa u15's & his injury could well be from that, not 'in training'

It was done in training

Whether it was linked to too many games, ive no idea

But, def in training

[Dr. Feelgood]

4 hours ago, gonzo said:

No we must keep every single player and get them playing better.

It's more that HE signs a player, then tries to play them out of position, fails ... then ostracised them. Several now.

[Farrelli]

6 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

It's more that HE signs a player, then tries to play them out of position, fails ... then ostracised them. Several now.

Yes. He keeps signing enigmas. He is a bit unlucky in that respect

[Stig]

1 hour ago, peebles said:

We're playing far too strong teams in the Bristol St Motors (again after saying we've learnt our lesson). I suspect he's playing stronger teams because he's under pressure & needs the result. On his head be it, Thomason started against Villa u15's & his injury could well be from that, not 'in training'

Agree with this. B team should be playing the BSM

[ianofcleveleys]

2 hours ago, Stig said:

Agree with this. B team should be playing the BSM

There are rules to be adhered to around how many recognised first teamers have to start each game, but once we've satisfied the bare minimum requirement the rest ought to be from B team. 

[Dr. Feelgood]

5 hours ago, gonzo said:

Dapo could only play in a system that we didn't play. That particular system was successful. If he was still here he would have the same issue. Evatt tried him in every single position available. None of which worked unless he was off the left in a 442 or similar.

So if we accidentally stumbled across a new Peter Thompson, David Lee etc. it'd be fine for IE to say "can you play Wing Back ? Otherwise we'll have to let you go" ?

 

[gonzo]

4 hours ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

It's more that HE signs a player, then tries to play them out of position, fails ... then ostracised them. Several now.

What about all the ones he's signed that worked?

[gonzo]

5 hours ago, Farrelli said:

And you can name any system we have used in a big game during 2024 because none of them worked apart from Barnsley first leg play off game. Wigan, Blackpool, Derby, Barnsley second leg, Oxford play off final, Birmingham, Wrexham. Goals scored two. Useless!

Nobody is doubting our obvious failings in big games or others.

We were talking about the list of players you said he shouldn't have let go.

That list is bollocks.

[gonzo]

28 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

So if we accidentally stumbled across a new Peter Thompson, David Lee etc. it'd be fine for IE to say "can you play Wing Back ? Otherwise we'll have to let you go" ?

 

Are we really still harping on about Dapo ffs.

Some players fit some players dont.

 

[Farrelli]

4 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Nobody is doubting our obvious failings in big games or others.

We were talking about the list of players you said he shouldn't have let go.

That list is bollocks.

Your list of excuses for Evatt is bollocks. Our manager is a fraud with no idea how to get the best out of our squad or how to set them up. 

[gonzo]

Just now, Farrelli said:

Your list of excuses for Evatt is bollocks. Our manager is a fraud with no idea how to get the best out of our squad or how to set them up. 

What list is that then?

I know all his failings, we all do.

Bringing up a load of players that have left doesn't confirm a single thing.

Many have come in and done well. There's next to fuck all that belonged to us that have left and are doing better elsewhere. 

If Wycombe finish above us this season I'll platt fog btw. 

....and who knows. A run in the first team for Morley instead of stagnating of the bench might have done him good and in Jan we get a brand new signing.

That's how the loan system works right? The lad didn't want to sit on the bench.

[Dr. Feelgood]

19 minutes ago, gonzo said:

What about all the ones he's signed that worked?

That's his job.

[gonzo]

1 minute ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

That's his job.

So can't take any credit for all the good singing but has to get pillared for Farrellis bonkers list?

Every single signing has to work and every single player released has to be worse off too?

Nice one.

Name one player that is our own that is currently playing at a higher level?

Edited October 25, 2024 by gonzo

[Dr. Feelgood]

15 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Are we really still harping on about Dapo ffs.

Some players fit some players dont.

Yes. Best player of Evatt's time. He obviously got along with him. But he wasted him.

[gonzo]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

Yes. Best player of Evatt's time. He obviously got along with him. But he wasted him.

Wasted him?

Was he to change his whole team and philosophy because he could only play off the left?

What manager would do that?