Northern ireland

[Sweep]

2 hours ago, Winchester White said:

Oven ready.

May got knifed due to the potential of a border in the Irish sea. We now have a border in the Irish sea.

not for long, this new technological solution is going to be splendid, and will get rid of such issues, just you wait and see

[Spider]

 

[Farrelli]

7 minutes ago, Spider said:

 

Theresa May made him say that😂

[Traf]

4 hours ago, Spider said:

 

You are fake news. He's clearly been overdubbed.

#blameLabour

[Casino]

7 hours ago, Sweep said:

not for long, this new technological solution is going to be splendid, and will get rid of such issues, just you wait and see

8ts like having a full house and folding

They cant even win with all the cards, useless twats

[Farrelli]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61436985
 

Here is a good summary of the situation. What a right old mess!

[bolty58]

On 10/05/2022 at 08:42, gonzo said:

Even though German U boats filled up in Ireland

...not to mention offering safe haven to nazi war criminals after the war was over.

[bolty58]

On 10/05/2022 at 20:17, Casino said:

8ts like having a full house and folding

They cant even win with all the cards, useless twats

I'm surprised that we are still in this forum discussing it. Did the world not end after all?

[Not in Crawley]

3 hours ago, bolty58 said:

I'm surprised that we are still in this forum discussing it. Did the world not end after all?

It that now the watermark of success? Brexit didn't destroy the world.

 

[Mounts Kipper]

Good news that the government now look like they are ready to act on the border, get ready for the hissy fit from Sinn Fein, Ireland & The EU throwing toys out of pram trade war. 

[Casino]

gammon - one of the benefits of brexit will be that we can do our own deal with the US

 

US - dont fuck with the GFA

 

 

another win

[Spider]

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

I'm surprised that we are still in this forum discussing it. Did the world not end after all?

We're all busy discussing the benefits and what to do with all the extra money.

 

[fatolive]

29 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Good news that the government now look like they are ready to act on the border, get ready for the hissy fit from Sinn Fein, Ireland & The EU throwing toys out of pram trade war. 

Hissy fit from Sinn Fein? Jesus 
The DUP won’t take their place in government because of it, do you not think that’s a bit toys out of the pram? 

[Mounts Kipper]

3 minutes ago, fatolive said:

Hissy fit from Sinn Fein? Jesus 
The DUP won’t take their place in government because of it, do you not think that’s a bit toys out of the pram? 

Both sides in NI capable of hissy fit, on this matter DUP justified. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 minutes ago, Casino said:

gammon - one of the benefits of brexit will be that we can do our own deal with the US

 

US - dont fuck with the GFA

 

 

another win

The protocol was rightly designed to not fuck with the GFA.

However, it isn't working, so is fucking with the GFA.

Changing the protocol makes absolute sense then, to protect the GFA.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 minutes ago, fatolive said:

Hissy fit from Sinn Fein? Jesus 
The DUP won’t take their place in government because of it, do you not think that’s a bit toys out of the pram? 

 

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Both sides in NI capable of hissy fit, on this matter DUP justified. 

The 21st 2020 suspension came about when Sinn Fein had their hissy fit over the heating scandal.

Previous ones as a result of various figures making waves for political reasons.

It's how they operate. 

Not the way to proceed for sure, but this current one may have focused to minds of the British government a bit, as the rhetoric is building. On that basis, you can understand why they'd do it.

[fatolive]

8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Both sides in NI capable of hissy fit, on this matter DUP justified. 

So SinnFein will be justified then because it suits their agenda? 

[Mounts Kipper]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

The 21st 2020 suspension came about when Sinn Fein had their hissy fit over the heating scandal.

Previous ones as a result of various figures making waves for political reasons.

It's how they operate. 

Not the way to proceed for sure, but this current one may have focused to minds of the British government a bit, as the rhetoric is building. On that basis, you can understand why they'd do it.

I agree the situation needed bringing to a head, that’s where we are now let’s hope some common sense is used from all sides and a sensible solution can finally be agreed.  

[fatolive]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

The 21st 2020 suspension came about when Sinn Fein had their hissy fit over the heating scandal.

Previous ones as a result of various figures making waves for political reasons.

It's how they operate. 

Not the way to proceed for sure, but this current one may have focused to minds of the British government a bit, as the rhetoric is building. On that basis, you can understand why they'd do it.

Hissy fit over the heating scandal 

not sure how much you’ve read into that but what I’ve garnered from your posts on here, I’d say , you’d be in full support of Sinn Fein on that . 

it is true both can and have stopped the executive, it’s a problematic side issue of power sharing from the GFA , anywhere else they’d be just absent from proceedings and so wouldn’t do it , but can’t call one side hissy fit and the other justified is my point 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

6 minutes ago, fatolive said:

So SinnFein will be justified then because it suits their agenda? 

NI is part of UK and as such the current interpretation of the protocol by the EU isn’t working and needs changing, if the protocol is amended to make importation easier and less costly what agenda would Sinn Fein find to oppose that? 

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Mounts Kipper

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 minutes ago, fatolive said:

Hissy fit over the heating scandal 

not sure how much you’ve read into that but what I’ve garnered from your posts on here, I’d say , you’d be in full support of Sinn Fein on that . 

it is true both can and have stopped the executive, it’s a problematic side issue of power sharing from the GFA , anywhere else they’d be just absent from proceedings and so wouldn’t do it , but can’t call one side hissy fit and the other justified is my point 

 

I read about it ages back.

Terrible bit of legislation of whatever it was called technically. 

Doesn't justify closing their parliament. That's how democratic institutions work- by debate and constant change according to need.

DUP doing this now is also wrong. 

Big stuff going on in ours too at the moment- the last thing that anyone needs is one side of the house or the other walking out en masse, and it doesn't happen.

So aye, it's hissy fits all round.

[fatolive]

8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

NI is part of UK and as such the current interpretation of the protocol by the EU isn’t working and needs changing, if the protocol is amended to make importation easier and less costly what agenda would Sinn Fein find to oppose that? 

 

They haven’t or wouldnt 

it was you who said they’d have a hissy fit and I’m asking why you think the DUP hissy fit is ok 

fwiw, I think the DUP position is as much about not wanting to elect a deputy to Sinn Fein as the protocol 

I’m actually quite looking forward to how they’ll respond if Boris does “ sort” it out and what reason they’ll give then 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

NI is part of UK and as such the current interpretation of the protocol by the EU isn’t working and needs changing, if the protocol is amended to make importation easier and less costly what agenda would Sinn Fein find to oppose that? 

 

They wont- indeed MO has said things need to improve. 

For me though, they'd be better all discussing it in their own place and coming up with a plan. Put that to the EU and UK as a concensus in NI should sway the others.

Clearly the DUP don't want the protocol, whereas Sinn Fein do: some middle ground that allows the country to function without the stupid levels of bureaucracy whilst respecting the GFA should be perfectly achievable. Just a matter of some common sense and compromise. 

Such things have happened before, even much bigger, to bring about the GFA in the first place.

[Mounts Kipper]

7 minutes ago, fatolive said:

They haven’t or wouldnt 

it was you who said they’d have a hissy fit and I’m asking why you think the DUP hissy fit is ok 

fwiw, I think the DUP position is as much about not wanting to elect a deputy to Sinn Fein as the protocol 

I’m actually quite looking forward to how they’ll respond if Boris does “ sort” it out and what reason they’ll give then 

It was justified as it’s now prompted Johnson to finally deal with this.
 

The protocol is now centre stage and needs dealing with urgently. 

I agree that he also needs make sure the DUP go back to Stormont and form a government. 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Mounts Kipper

[fatolive]

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I read about it ages back.

Terrible bit of legislation of whatever it was called technically. 

Doesn't justify closing their parliament. That's how democratic institutions work- by debate and constant change according to need.

DUP doing this now is also wrong. 

Big stuff going on in ours too at the moment- the last thing that anyone needs is one side of the house or the other walking out en masse, and it doesn't happen.

So aye, it's hissy fits all round.

Wasn’t really the legislation but resignation due to alleged  corruption by one who then refused to resign so it was an impasse 

 

but that’s a whole other story and very boring but yes it’s true to say NI politics depends on cooperation between people ideologically opposed to each other’s point of view and so this cooperation often fails .