Is it time to just hand it back to Ireland?

Anyone that is of British allegiance can be resettled in Glasgow.

This would help with Brexit and let’s be honest, we need to move on from this tedious issue. On that I think we all agree.

So - give it back, or carry on dwelling on the past?

46 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

I don’t think that is true. Where is your evidence?

They cannot hold a referendum  now but the pressure keeps ramping up. The Green Party (Another pro-independence party) also increased their councillors significantly at the recent local elections.

At some point a second referendum will happen. Don’t get me wrong, I really do not want to see Scotland leave the UK but that is the direction of travel.

I'm not sure there's been much movement in either direction really.

The SNP could win an independence referendum but it's no formality.

More of this type of cooperation from Unionist and nationalist parties is required so that pressure is kept on the EU to be more flexible. This is the sensible way forward for NI.

 

  Brexit: Border controls provide food for thought - BBC News

3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I'm not sure there's been much movement in either direction really.

The SNP could win an independence referendum but it's no formality.

No it’s not a formality by any means but I expect a second referendum will happen. My point is that brexit has only accelerated the process.

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

More of this type of cooperation from Unionist and nationalist parties is required so that pressure is kept on the EU to be more flexible. This is the sensible way forward for NI.

 

  Brexit: Border controls provide food for thought - BBC News

That article is more than 2 years old, from before the NI Protocol even came into force...

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

That article is more than 2 years old, from before the NI Protocol even came into force...

Lets just move on.

1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

I don’t think that is true. Where is your evidence?

They cannot hold a referendum  now but the pressure keeps ramping up. The Green Party (Another pro-independence party) also increased their councillors significantly at the recent local elections.

At some point a second referendum will happen. Don’t get me wrong, I really do not want to see Scotland leave the UK but that is the direction of travel.

I have no evidence other than Alex salmonds Alba party being formed for that very reason which is a reasonable indication of some truth in it . It’s also the general consensus amongst a large number of people up here and widely spoke about. Time will tell

She governs solely on division as I’ve said. Her record is appalling. She gets called out she blames Boris or deflects to another issue that she doesn’t control. She is a master of it. 
 

I ask have you a £1000 charity bet that a second referendum isn’t held whilst she’s first minister? That’s how certain in My belief and statement I am. Can’t get much more certain than that I don’t think. 

I should add sadly I expect her to be first minister for another 10 years or so until the nats wake up to what’s actually going on. 

Final thing as it’s moving away from topic, a referendum should be granted immediately and held asap. Let the people decide and then respect that outcome. Easier said than done as we’ve seen 

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

I have no evidence other than Alex salmonds Alba party being formed for that very reason which is a reasonable indication of some truth in it . It’s also the general consensus amongst a large number of people up here and widely spoke about. Time will tell

She governs solely on division as I’ve said. Her record is appalling. She gets called out she blames Boris or deflects to another issue that she doesn’t control. She is a master of it. 
 

I ask have you a £1000 charity bet that a second referendum isn’t held whilst she’s first minister? That’s how certain in My belief and statement I am. Can’t get much more certain than that I don’t think. 

I would never bet on such unpredictable events even if I had that kind of disposable income. You do seem confident though so I guess we’ll see. 
 

Is Alex Salmond the kind of person to base anything on? He was acquitted of sexual misconduct but his reputation is tarnished. He clearly fell out with Sturgeon but he is not a reliable witness IMO.

27 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

I would never bet on such unpredictable events even if I had that kind of disposable income. You do seem confident though so I guess we’ll see. 
 

Is Alex Salmond the kind of person to base anything on? He was acquitted of sexual misconduct but his reputation is tarnished. He clearly fell out with Sturgeon but he is not a reliable witness IMO.

agreed he’s a letcherous and highly untrustworthy individual. Like Boris before you say it. So I agree but he had no need to come out from under his rock at that time of his life but did so stating vehemently the reasoning behind it was that he didn’t trust the SNP to deliver indyref2 with noise around they don’t want it 

 

I’ve heard again only anecdotally that sturgeon will eventually handover the reins to angus Robertson who will then push for independence. When offering my bet I did have that up my sleeve as I feel eventually the pressure for indyref2 will become too much and he will then take over as she doesn’t want it. Again only conjecture and speculation but if you look at it all objectively you will see actually it fits with what’s happening now and how quiet she has gone. Her only words around it Boris Johnson must allow the peoples will. Knowing he’s not going to grant it. Which I strongly disagree with as I’ve said. Scotland needs to make its own choice now. 

6 hours ago, fatolive said:

For what it’s worth, Sinn Fein are the largest party currently, but as I said they’re ( republicans) the minority overall , if there was a referendum in the near future then the differences in the ways unionists voted this time and any pro eu sentiments would not be evident when it came to a vote on remaining in the UK. 
there are some pro eu unionists but there are no anti uk unionists 

Interestingly, nationalists overall lost a seat. SDLP suffered badly.

Alliance the big winners.

A chap who stood for the TUV gained around 60,000 votes and got nine tenths of fuck all.

Alliance got less than double that, but got plenty of seats. Illustrated how splitting yourselves into several groups, lessens your success rate.

Can we give NI back but keep Stormont? 

Looks miles better than Downing Street

I actually started the poll a bit tongue in cheek.

Fully expected to be howled down as a traitor.

Looks like Ulster being under Republican control wouldn’t really bother us.

Brexit has half a chance without this particular cross to bear.

4 minutes ago, Spider said:

I actually started the poll a bit tongue in cheek.

Fully expected to be howled down as a traitor.

Looks like Ulster being under Republican control wouldn’t really bother us.

Brexit has half a chance without this particular cross to bear.

It's called democracy. Accepting the results of votes. Revolutionary idea.

Interesting that the first minister has joined calls from the dup for the EU to start applying a bit of flexibility. 

Good for her.

4 minutes ago, Spider said:

I actually started the poll a bit tongue in cheek.

Fully expected to be howled down as a traitor.

Looks like Ulster being under Republican control wouldn’t really bother us.

Brexit has half a chance without this particular cross to bear.

Think its more of a case of its up to them.

If they want to fuck off then crack on. The gaff is a pain in the arse.

Democracy might have been idea during the troubles.....

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Think its more of a case of its up to them.

If they want to fuck off then crack on. The gaff is a pain in the arse.

Democracy might have been idea during the troubles.....

Lack of democracy was a major root cause of the modern troubles , so yes you’re correct but probably not for the reasons you think . 
 

 

8 hours ago, fatolive said:

Lack of democracy was a major root cause of the modern troubles , so yes you’re correct but probably not for the reasons you think . 
 

 

Its what I meant mate. 

When I was young and didnt know better I had UVF badges and all sorts. 

Decided to educate myself on the issue since then. 

I really think its similar to gaza and all the caper over there, there will never be true peace and both sides will always go about stuff completely the wrong way and the extremists on both sides will completely fuck it up for the innocent people in the middle. Even after a good few years of relative peace. 

Even though German U boats filled up in Ireland

31 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Its what I meant mate. 

When I was young and didnt know better I had UVF badges and all sorts. 

Decided to educate myself on the issue since then. 

I really think its similar to gaza and all the caper over there, there will never be true peace and both sides will always go about stuff completely the wrong way and the extremists on both sides will completely fuck it up for the innocent people in the middle. Even after a good few years of relative peace. 

Apologies, I presumed you were meaning just Sinn Fein / Republicans should have been more democratic as opposed to planting bombs etc , very presumptuous of me. Yes it’s similar in theory and perceptions of those affected  as one part of the community excluded from the start and not the same opportunities or rights 

25 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Even though German U boats filled up in Ireland

😁👍 German sailors got shit loads of nectar points those days 

Just heard that draft legislation is being prepared to invoke article 16. Surprised at the timing, but not at the action. 

Lord Frost last night potentially making his pitch for a move into parliament?

Don't agree with his stance on fracking (and perhaps his approach to net zero), but his overall comments will chime with the more traditional members of his party.

Oven ready.

May got knifed due to the potential of a border in the Irish sea. We now have a border in the Irish sea.

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

Oven ready.

May got knifed due to the potential of a border in the Irish sea. We now have a border in the Irish sea.

But she is a traitor apparently (see the other thread). People are blind on brexit. Bozo won an election based on his lies about the NI protocol and he continues to bullshit now.

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

Its what I meant mate. 

When I was young and didnt know better I had UVF badges and all sorts. 

Decided to educate myself on the issue since then. 

I really think its similar to gaza and all the caper over there, there will never be true peace and both sides will always go about stuff completely the wrong way and the extremists on both sides will completely fuck it up for the innocent people in the middle. Even after a good few years of relative peace. 

Life in general, isn’t it?

Indeed Mr Wellyphant, Indeed.

2 hours ago, Winchester White said:

Oven ready.

May got knifed due to the potential of a border in the Irish sea. We now have a border in the Irish sea.

not for long, this new technological solution is going to be splendid, and will get rid of such issues, just you wait and see