6 coppers to take him down or 1 member of the public with his bike? 
 

 

 

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

You stil havent said why im a 'creepy fucker' or a 'freak' 

Come on, time to back up your bullying.

Are you just acting thicker than usual on purpose? You remind me of Craig North. Craig is a creepy fucker. You will now be known as Craig south. 
 

As for bullying 😂 get a grip you sausage 

Just now, royal white said:

Are you just acting thicker than usual on purpose? You remind me of Craig North. Craig is a creepy fucker. You will now be known as Craig south. 
 

As for bullying 😂 get a grip you sausage 

No, thats not an answer, thats a defection.

Why am I a creepy fucker or a freak? Both of which perjoratives you've levelled at me personally.

Im simply asking you to back up your agressive posts.

If you write it, have the compumtion to owe it, and thereby defend it.

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

No, thats not an answer, thats a defection.

Why am I a creepy fucker or a freak? Both of which perjoratives you've levelled at me personally.

Im simply asking you to back up your agressive posts.

If you write it, have the compumtion to owe it, and thereby defend it.

“Aggressive posts” 😂

 

Sorry I have no idea what compumtion means Craig.

Just now, royal white said:

“Aggressive posts” 😂

 

Sorry I have no idea what compumtion means Craig.

So that's a no.

Thought so.

You really are simpleton.

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

So that's a no.

Thought so.

You really are simpleton.

Why are you so aggressive? Why are you bullying me? 😂
 

What’s compumtion mean? 

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Why are you so aggressive? Why are you bullying me? 😂
 

What’s compumtion mean? 

Nothing about this post again answers why im a 'creepy fucker' or a 'freak'

I was only asking you a question. If you cant answer (which I suspect is a trope of your life) thats ok. But stop doubling down. It makes you look more foolish than you probably already do.

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

Nothing about this post again answers why im a 'creepy fucker' or a 'freak'

I was only asking you a question. If you cant answer (which I suspect is a trope of your life) thats ok. But stop doubling down. It makes you look more foolish than you probably already do.

You come across that way, in a Craig north sense. Don’t worry about it, he’s a good lad at heart 🤥
 

So for the third time can you tell me what compumtion means? You know with me being a simpleton I’m unsure of big words like that. 

Nah, im just a creepy fucker (?)

Im very happy that you think I'm a freak though.

Spent my life annoying little twats like you 😋

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Nah, im just a creepy fucker (?)

Im very happy that you think I'm a freak though.

Spent my life annoying little twats like you 😋

And still no answer

I was only asking you a question. If you cant answer (which I suspect is a trope of your life) thats ok. But stop doubling down. It makes you look more foolish than you probably already do.

Toodle pip, one needs an early night, double Padel in the morning. 

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

And still no answer

I was only asking you a question. If you cant answer (which I suspect is a trope of your life) thats ok. But stop doubling down. It makes you look more foolish than you probably already do.

Toodle pip, one needs an early night, double Padel in the morning. 

As was I, sorry you couldn't answer my questions

Save your little bete noire's for someone who is bothered with you.

Again, if you for whatever reason think im a 'freak' im very comfortable that you think I am.

Night Padel boy x

9 hours ago, kent_white said:

Have you read it before? Parts of it can be heavy going. But there's usually a good couple of laughs. 

 

I've dipped in and out when I've found a copy in an airport lounge, or a waiting room, just never got round to buying a chippy for myself before. Hence only going for the six month sub initially. £26 for 13 editions, delivered to my door is a decent enough deal for me to take a punt I reckon. 

16 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Aye

Another one

28 year sentence 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l0057mn1/paul-lipscombe-sentenced-to-28-years

We don't solve sexual abuse by only ever talking about it if it's an Abdul or Mohammed 

No but each area of concern needs addressing specifically.

Not just all just lumping together to try and dampen down particular problem sectors of society.

You can address them individually you know.

There's reasons grooming gangs have flourished and continue to do so, from cultural issues to social services issues.

There's reasons some migrants from Afghanistan, Northern Africa and the likes are committing sexual offences. 

There's a whole set of other parameters for a whole host other cases, which are equally abhorrent and need addressing.

It's not just one big generic problem.

8 minutes ago, gonzo said:

No but each area of concern needs addressing specifically.

Not just all just lumping together to try and dampen down particular problem sectors of society.

You can address them individually you know.

There's reasons grooming gangs have flourished and continue to do so, from cultural issues to social services issues.

There's reasons some migrants from Afghanistan, Northern Africa and the likes are committing sexual offences. 

There's a whole set of other parameters for a whole host other cases, which are equally abhorrent and need addressing.

It's not just one big generic problem.

He does seem to struggle with this.

1 hour ago, royal white said:

He does seem to struggle to acknowledge this.

 

Within our society, abuse had always been frowned upon.

Hence the abuse is carried out by individuals or groups of likeminded individuals who manage to get together and operate under the radar.

Historically, the church and care services have been areas that abusers have sought careers in for obvious access to youngsters.

Some of this was covered up so as not to damage reputations of the institutions.

Once discovered, they were investigated deeply and measures put in place to prevent further occurrences. 

When these scandals were uncovered and reported, how many times did people introduce whataboutery and try to deflect by going on about abuse elsewhere?

It didn't happen because the investigations were conducted into those specific circumstances, as they should be, and folk were keen to see justice done in them.

Now the situation is a different one, with a focus on a culture that doesn't have the same views as ours. 

The abuse as we see it, isn't viewed in the same way.

Inter-family marriage, marriage of very young girls, misogyny, racism and a consideration of white girls as of lesser value.

Slightly tangential maybe, but female feticide has increased too, with the availability of scanning identifying the sex of the unborn.

Plenty to investigate you would imagine; but fuck it, abuse happens amongst other communities, so nothing to see.

Edited November 14, 2025Nov 14 by Tonge moor green jacket

Historically claims of abuse weren't so much covered up, more that they were ignored. Victims weren't believed, there were light sentences for those rare convictions and people in positions of power were generally shifted elsewhere.

When I first started work in the mid 80s I was warned about the bloke in charge of my section.  He'd previously been caught in the gents tossing off a young work experience lad.  His punishment was to be moved sideways into a different area of the business.  Unthinkable nowadays. 

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

No but each area of concern needs addressing specifically.

Not just all just lumping together to try and dampen down particular problem sectors of society.

You can address them individually you know.

There's reasons grooming gangs have flourished and continue to do so, from cultural issues to social services issues.

There's reasons some migrants from Afghanistan, Northern Africa and the likes are committing sexual offences. 

There's a whole set of other parameters for a whole host other cases, which are equally abhorrent and need addressing.

It's not just one big generic problem.

To an extent it does, but the laws are also generic and should be treated as such.

There is so much work to do in order to protect women and reduce levels of sexual violence and domestic abuse. Rape crisis organisations have spoken about this obsession with blaming specific cultures as hindering progress in this area. I don't think you are bdw. And I don't disagree with the points you make in this post. 

Unlike the daft comments below your reply (which do nothing but shut down debate), I do recognise cultural differences/issues and agree we shouldn't shy away from them. Seen these issues at work. Often Muslim families will remove their children from really important sex ed lessons and I've seen young kids quite openly use the Quran to spout homophobic remarks. We shouldn't be letting folk use religion as an excuse. 

Out of interest, what do you think we should do to address these issues specifically? 

My issue is with the people who only ever blame migrants and Muslims and use it as excuse to tar everyone with the same brush. The fact you've got posters on here saying they should all be treated as rapists is part of the problem. Blokes who have never cared about violence against women, going about harassing asylum seekers and brazenly walking into their rooms to give them abuse. There's a growing number of people who only care about whipping up hate & blame, rather than looking at ways to address the issue. 

 

The facts are abuse has happened forever and that whenever they we do we are all a lot happier if we convince ourselves it is ‘them’ that are doing it.

Them might be Muslims (although that has evolved to Packistanis) Catholics, Scout leaders, people working in Social Services, anyone involved in teaching (especially with beards) celebrities (preferably from earlier decades), public school boys, Vicars, the list is virtually endless.

We kid ourselves it used to happen and there are strong safeguards to stop it happening again, as we have been saying for the last 30-40 years. The gang that was arrested in Blackrod does not seem to fit the profile, the case that RW posted about a Marine certainly does not. So it is human nature to try and shut down those stories because the idea a monster looks just like ‘us’ or ‘me’ makes them even more frightening. 
 

These days we are much more concerned about the victims and chasing down the bastards that are involved….really ? Let’s take the Epstein files, these are only high profile at the moment because of the nonce previously known as Prince and the links to Trump. Where is the clamour to get all the names out there and action taken against anyone involved in child trafficking ? There must be hundreds of names in there. How long till we hear the defence ‘it was different back then, remember Mandy Smith ?’ Jerry Lee Lewis ? 
 

Most abuse happens within the family. Uncle Ernie ? The unusual thing with the Packistani gangs here is that the abuse is almost 100% of people of a different ethnicity. 
 

The most common theme is the vast majority of  all sex abuse cases is that they are committed by men. Trying to deflect that by blaming ‘them’ all the time whilst normalising the Tates of this world. Of course we should not hide from the fact that certain groups are more likely to commit certain crimes but equally to hide behind blaming ‘them’ and thinking ‘stop the boats, stop the abuse’ is the most whataboutery arguement and it and similar logic is why after decades of these stories and scandals the stories keep happening just the ‘them’ has changed 

2 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

To an extent it does, but the laws are also generic and should be treated as such.

There is so much work to do in order to protect women and reduce levels of sexual violence and domestic abuse. Rape crisis organisations have spoken about this obsession with blaming specific cultures as hindering progress in this area. I don't think you are bdw. And I don't disagree with the points you make in this post. 

Unlike the daft comments below your reply (which do nothing but shut down debate), I do recognise cultural differences/issues and agree we shouldn't shy away from them. Seen these issues at work. Often Muslim families will remove their children from really important sex ed lessons and I've seen young kids quite openly use the Quran to spout homophobic remarks. We shouldn't be letting folk use religion as an excuse. 

Out of interest, what do you think we should do to address these issues specifically? 

My issue is with the people who only ever blame migrants and Muslims and use it as excuse to tar everyone with the same brush. The fact you've got posters on here saying they should all be treated as rapists is part of the problem. Blokes who have never cared about violence against women, going about harassing asylum seekers and brazenly walking into their rooms to give them abuse. There's a growing number of people who only care about whipping up hate & blame, rather than looking at ways to address the issue. 

 

Do you not think it’s odd/weird that when people post about an Asian/paki/muzzie grooming gang it’s usually followed by a link with yes what about white paedos? It’s comparing 2 x different crimes. We knows there’s white paedos it’s not a competition. 

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

Do you not think it’s odd/weird that when people post about an Asian/paki/muzzie grooming gang it’s usually followed by a link with yes what about white paedos? It’s comparing 2 x different crimes. We knows there’s white paedos it’s not a competition. 

The other view is why would someone only post a link if it is Packistani gang ? Plenty of people on here post claiming to do so for balance but only post one view. 
 

Why is the grooming gang from Blackrod a different crime than one from say Bradford ? 
 

As I said in my long winded post blaming ‘them’ is human nature and we have been doing it for decades but it shows no sign of solving the problem. 

1 minute ago, Ani said:

The other view is why would someone only post a link if it is Packistani gang ? Plenty of people on here post claiming to do so for balance but only post one view. 
 

Why is the grooming gang from Blackrod a different crime than one from say Bradford ? 
 

As I said in my long winded post blaming ‘them’ is human nature and we have been doing it for decades but it shows no sign of solving the problem. 

The grooming gang from Blackrod, if I remember rightly, was posted in here. I doubt anyone replied with “but look at this Asian guy that got done last week”

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

The grooming gang from Blackrod, if I remember rightly, was posted in here. I doubt anyone replied with “but look at this Asian guy that got done last week”

But why do you think it was a different crime ? Which is what you said. 
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg8791y4xxo.amp

 

Romanian  gang. Is that different too ? 

Edited November 14, 2025Nov 14 by Ani

1 minute ago, Ani said:

But why do you think it was a different crime ? Which is what you said. 

You’ve lost me here. When @gonzo posted about a grooming gang, certain folk replied with but what about these. Then posted links to crimes that weren’t grooming gangs. 
 

When folk posted about the blackrod grooming gang no one replied “but what about these to that” in fact one of the first replies was something along the lines of will there be demonstrations outside churches which is even weirder. 

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

You’ve lost me here. When @gonzo posted about a grooming gang, certain folk replied with but what about these. Then posted links to crimes that weren’t grooming gangs. 
 

When folk posted about the blackrod grooming gang no one replied “but what about these to that” in fact one of the first replies was something along the lines of will there be demonstrations outside churches which is even weirder. 

You posted white paedos are different crimes. That is what I am questioning. 

 

32 minutes ago, royal white said:

Do you not think it’s odd/weird that when people post about an Asian/paki/muzzie grooming gang it’s usually followed by a link with yes what about white paedos? It’s comparing 2 x different crimes. We knows there’s white paedos it’s not a competition. 

 

14 minutes ago, Ani said:

You posted white paedos are different crimes. That is what I am questioning. 

 

 

Because it’s not a gang for starters. There’s a different element to it.