Meanwhile In England

[Spider]

18 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Top one. Good.

Bottom one. Carry on regardless if it irks him.

But you ARE a chubster

i imagine that irks you more.

have a biscuit.

[bolty58]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/bbc-bias-pushed-hamas-lies-123049249.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGDHs4iXfyHqXGVhyzIcTTwWwygGD-C5ayObqjjwpr7keq9V-uztwCTpoV-n5bmR-RSI-LjpeTmBLZRc1z9sqBPnIxz_pg9WHPNzWWC9rCYPDkZvzW97nN8Vu4lmLFQ9cDjXu-SQFMa1qTnEJYUMi78cJe8uLyoABTHosw_NkB_S

[kent_white]

6 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/bbc-bias-pushed-hamas-lies-123049249.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGDHs4iXfyHqXGVhyzIcTTwWwygGD-C5ayObqjjwpr7keq9V-uztwCTpoV-n5bmR-RSI-LjpeTmBLZRc1z9sqBPnIxz_pg9WHPNzWWC9rCYPDkZvzW97nN8Vu4lmLFQ9cDjXu-SQFMa1qTnEJYUMi78cJe8uLyoABTHosw_NkB_S

The knives certainly seem to be out for the beeb!

[London Wanderer]

10 hours ago, royal white said:

Some people don’t agree with antisemitism in the U.K. others choose to ignore it. Apparently fans being refused tickets in the UK because a minority ripped  down flags and sang some songs in another country happens in football.

It clearly doesn’t (unless you support an Israeli team) 

A very simplistic way of looking at the behaviour of the Maccabi fans. Almost comes across as if you’re defending them & suggesting there shouldn’t be any consequences. Even the chants aren’t insignificant. When you’re calling for the death of people who live in the city, whilst looking to attack them, it’s going to create a reaction.

Antisemitism is a huge problem. We’ve just had a horrific attack on a synagogue. There would have no doubt been more instances of antisemitism if Maccabi fans had turned up. Personally I think we’re seeing it called out more these days, & a good number of MPs have lost their jobs over it. We’re sadly seeing a grim rise in all forms of racism across the UK. 
 

Problem is, when you play the racism card on this decision, all you do is deflect from the actual instances of antisemitism. The evidence has become clearer the longer this has gone one. It’s really the clear the decision wasn’t an antisemitic one, or even primarily based on how the locals would react.

It happens to other European teams and will in the future. 

[bolty58]

9 hours ago, kent_white said:

The knives certainly seem to be out for the beeb!

...and not before time.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Masters of their own downfall. 

Behave and perform like they once did, and no one would be complaining. 

It needs huge reform, but I can't see how that happens as it has got so big, with a culture of improper behaviour. 

Moreover, given the charter runs out in a couple of years, would anyone considering the position of DG think there is much point?

Without massive, institutional change, then they're in big trouble, and there may simply not be enough time to achieve it before the charter is up.

 

[gonzo]

29 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

A very simplistic way of looking at the behaviour of the Maccabi fans. Almost comes across as if you’re defending them & suggesting there shouldn’t be any consequences. Even the chants aren’t insignificant. When you’re calling for the death of people who live in the city, whilst looking to attack them, it’s going to create a reaction.

Antisemitism is a huge problem. We’ve just had a horrific attack on a synagogue. There would have no doubt been more instances of antisemitism if Maccabi fans had turned up. Personally I think we’re seeing it called out more these days, & a good number of MPs have lost their jobs over it. We’re sadly seeing a grim rise in all forms of racism across the UK. 
 

Problem is, when you play the racism card on this decision, all you do is deflect from the actual instances of antisemitism. The evidence has become clearer the longer this has gone one. It’s really the clear the decision wasn’t an antisemitic one, or even primarily based on how the locals would react.

It happens to other European teams and will in the future. 

The language used by those Palestine protesters outside Villa park didn't help the it's all the Maccabi fans fault cause either.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

The language used by those Palestine protesters outside Villa park didn't help the it's all the Maccabi fans fault cause either.

It didn't, though that language was nothing new. Simply emboldened more and more.

Another reason they should have been kept well clear of the ground.

[gonzo]

13 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

It didn't, though that language was nothing new. Simply emboldened more and more.

Another reason they should have been kept well clear of the ground.

Aye it's pretty fucked they let them gather tbf.

[Zico]

11 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Aye it's pretty fucked they let them gather tbf.

Aye, the police should have enough about them to form an exclusion zone near the ground, and if you've not got a ticket you're not getting through

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

The language used by those Palestine protesters outside Villa park didn't help the it's all the Maccabi fans fault cause either.

I said from the very beginning that would be an issue,  & part of the decision no doubt. But the evidence points at the Maccabi ultras being the biggest concern. 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Masters of their own downfall. 

Behave and perform like they once did, and no one would be complaining. 

It needs huge reform, but I can't see how that happens as it has got so big, with a culture of improper behaviour. 

Moreover, given the charter runs out in a couple of years, would anyone considering the position of DG think there is much point?

Without massive, institutional change, then they're in big trouble, and there may simply not be enough time to achieve it before the charter is up.

 

Interesting survey. Wonder what the effect of recent events will be. Probably not as significant as folk are suggesting. 

 

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

The language used by those Palestine protesters outside Villa park didn't help the it's all the Maccabi fans fault cause either.

I've not heard it. But I imagine it's sick. And another reason (on balance) why they chose not to have the away fans over. 

Sounds like a sensible, pragmatic decision to me. 

Otherwise we might be on here today talking about dead football supporters, sadly. 

Not ideal - not something we're hoping to replicate regularly. But probably the right call in the current circumstances - given the powder keg that this issue is at the moment. 

Sorry all - but I'm with 'the man' on this one 😁

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Masters of their own downfall. 

Behave and perform like they once did, and no one would be complaining. 

It needs huge reform, but I can't see how that happens as it has got so big, with a culture of improper behaviour. 

Moreover, given the charter runs out in a couple of years, would anyone considering the position of DG think there is much point?

Without massive, institutional change, then they're in big trouble, and there may simply not be enough time to achieve it before the charter is up.

 

See I don't see it like that. I see it that there a small (but very vocal) group that are determined to get the BBC shut down for ideological reasons. 

I think that's a shame because (again on balance) I think the BBC does an amazing job, creates some world class TV and manages to provide something for everyone. 

The main issue it has against it in my book is that it continues to commission Mrs Brown's Boys which is clearly an abhoration (which I am aware isn't a word - but I feel sums up my feelings on this matter) 😁

[Ani]

11 hours ago, kent_white said:

The knives certainly seem to be out for the beeb!

Let’s be clear though the Whistleblower they refer to is a Mr Cohen who may have a side in the whole Gaza situation, but they have chosen not to highlight that which is exactly what they accuse the Beeb of. It is interesting that to show how bias BBC Arabic is he compares with the coverage of the larger BBC News which is what the rest of us see 99% of the time. 
 

Of course there will be instances where people can show specific stories display bias and it is pretty clear that BBC Arabic has got this wrong but the idea that this displays an inherent left wing bias across the organisation is nonsense. Emily Maitlis resigned because of pressure to keep the then Tory Govt on side. Farage appears on Question Time more often than anyone else. 
 

The idea that it is full of and controlled by ‘lefties’ is just not true.

Sir Robbie Gibb is not even one of the Bee Gees

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbie_Gibb

 

What is clear that when the BBC fucks up this is reported by amongst others the BBC, enter the story of BBC errors  of your choice in Google and see if the BBC has reported it. 
 

Over recent years the emergence of new news channels has rightly challenged the dominance of the established media but the idea ‘MSM’ is dead is simply not true. It is almost as though people who have propped up GB News by over £70m between 2021-2024 are doing so for a reason. Can anyone explain that in an unbiased way ? 

Edited November 11, 2025 by Ani

[Cheese]

 

[bolty58]

45 minutes ago, Ani said:

Let’s be clear though the Whistleblower they refer to is a Mr Cohen who may have a side in the whole Gaza situation, but they have chosen not to highlight that which is exactly what they accuse the Beeb of. It is interesting that to show how bias BBC Arabic is he compares with the coverage of the larger BBC News which is what the rest of us see 99% of the time. 
 

Of course there will be instances where people can show specific stories display bias and it is pretty clear that BBC Arabic has got this wrong but the idea that this displays an inherent left wing bias across the organisation is nonsense. Emily Maitlis resigned because of pressure to keep the then Tory Govt on side. Farage appears on Question Time more often than anyone else. 
 

The idea that it is full of and controlled by ‘lefties’ is just not true.

Sir Robbie Gibb is not even one of the Bee Gees

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbie_Gibb

 

What is clear that when the BBC fucks up this is reported by amongst others the BBC, enter the story of BBC errors  of your choice in Google and see if the BBC has reported it. 
 

Over recent years the emergence of new news channels has rightly challenged the dominance of the established media but the idea ‘MSM’ is dead is simply not true. It is almost as though people who have propped up GB News by over £70m between 2021-2024 are doing so for a reason. Can anyone explain that in an unbiased way ? 

Whataboutery.

The BBC News section is a den of biased left leaners and needs cleaning out. End of.

[Bertie]

1 minute ago, bolty58 said:

Whataboutery.

The BBC News section is a den of biased left leaners and needs cleaning out. End of.

Nonsense. Just repeating this doesn’t make it true you know.

[bolty58]

Just now, Bertie said:

Nonsense. Just repeating this doesn’t make it true you know.

Closing your eyes and covering your ears doesn't make the truth go away either.

There is now concrete evidence rather than suspicion and innuendo.

Hang (not literally) the cunts.

[Ani]

11 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Whataboutery.

The BBC News section is a den of biased left leaners and needs cleaning out. End of.

Nonsense. I have given examples that show the accusation is untrue whilst acknowledging some mistakes. None of which you have replied to ,
 

The GB. News comparison is important a it highlights what happens where the news is owned by the highest bidder. 

[Not in Crawley]

21 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Whataboutery.

The BBC News section is a den of biased left leaners and needs cleaning out. End of.

Literally no whataboutery in that post.

Ok, you prefer a channel that echoes your views rather than something that may challenge them.

I hope that we keep balanced views and that our national broadcaster, when it get things wrong, is rightly called out on it.

Those seeking perfection need to look elsewhere. As Ani says though this daft idea that the BBC is some sort of massive left wing Metro centric cabal plotting to blast socialism into every household is nonsense.

Anyway, why arent you watching Walldongadingdong News at 6 or whatever it is that delievers your news about whichever PM you currently have?

[kent_white]

18 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Closing your eyes and covering your ears doesn't make the truth go away either.

There is now concrete evidence rather than suspicion and innuendo.

Hang (not literally) the cunts.

There is concrete evidence that on THIS occasion, THIS editorial team either got it wrong and/or didn't have the wherewithal to question whether the footage had been edited. 

And even so - it's not clear whether that's down to 'left wing bias' or a desire to 'sex up' the programme which I think is more likely. 

You're taking about a really small number of people who made a silly editorial decision and have been rightly picked up on it (with consequences).

There must be thousands of people working in news in some way shape or form for the BBC. Of all kinds of political persuasions. 

It's just another national institution that the right don't like and therefore want tearing down. And balls to whatever the rest of the population want. 

I'll say it again - on balance the BBC does far more good than harm. Like any huge organisation, there will be unsavoury and imperfect people working for it. That's recruitment and human nature, sadly. But the answer isn't to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 

[kent_white]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Literally no whataboutery in that post.

Ok, you prefer a channel that echoes your views rather than something that may challenge them.

I hope that we keep balanced views and that our national broadcaster, when it get things wrong, is rightly called out on it.

Those seeking perfection need to look elsewhere. As Ani says though this daft idea that the BBC is some sort of massive left wing Metro centric cabal plotting to blast socialism into every household is nonsense.

Anyway, why arent you watching Walldongadingdong News at 6 or whatever it is that delievers your news about whichever PM you currently have?

To be honest - in my experience being over there - Australian TV (with maybe the exception of PBS) was laughably bad. All opinion and little news. Very much written and delivered in the Fox USA style. Overly sensational and partisan. Every station is basically GB News but with presenters wearing hats with corks on to keep the flies away 😁

Jesus - if the long term ambition is to move to a public service broadcaster that mirrors Australia or the US then we HAVE got problems. 

You don't know what you've got till it's gone I suppose. 

[Ani]

13 minutes ago, kent_white said:

There is concrete evidence that on THIS occasion, THIS editorial team either got it wrong and/or didn't have the wherewithal to question whether the footage had been edited. 

And even so - it's not clear whether that's down to 'left wing bias' or a desire to 'sex up' the programme which I think is more likely. 

You're taking about a really small number of people who made a silly editorial decision and have been rightly picked up on it (with consequences).

There must be thousands of people working in news in some way shape or form for the BBC. Of all kinds of political persuasions. 

It's just another national institution that the right don't like and therefore want tearing down. And balls to whatever the rest of the population want. 

I'll say it again - on balance the BBC does far more good than harm. Like any huge organisation, there will be unsavoury and imperfect people working for it. That's recruitment and human nature, sadly. But the answer isn't to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 

The link Bolty posted used articles from the main BBC news site to highlight the discrepancies of reporting which pretty much shows the main site is reporting accurately. 
 

During the last US election I flicked between the news channels over there and it just showed how far ahead reporting over here is.

Anyone really think Victoria Derbyshire gives lefties an easy ride ? 

 

 

 

[kent_white]

Just now, Ani said:

The link Bolty posted used articles from the main BBC news site to highlight the discrepancies of reporting which pretty much shows the main site is reporting accurately. 
 

During the last US election I flicked between the news channels over there and it just showed how far ahead reporting over here is.

Anyone really think Victoria Derbyshire gives lefties an easy ride ? 

 

 

 

She's very good. And she is equally comfortable as a 6 o'clock news type presenter and a Newsnight type presenter which I think is clever.